Why Do Some People Leave the Bahá’í Faith? A Reflection on Conduct and Community

A recent discussion raised the question: Why are ex-Bahá’ís so bitter? Are they simply struggling with personal grievances, misunderstandings, or is there something deeper at play?

Evaluating the Responses

In the discussion thread, most responses suggested that ex-Bahá’ís leave because:

  • They were hurt by individuals within the community.

  • They struggled with ego or personal shortcomings.

  • They lacked patience in the Faith’s development.

However, few responses acknowledged the systemic or doctrinal reasons why people leave, such as concerns about gender equality, institutional rigidity, or the way authority is exercised within the Faith. Many former Bahá’ís describe feeling dismissed, unsupported, or judged when they expressed doubts. If the Bahá’í Faith encourages independent investigation of truth, then their experiences should be engaged with sincerely, rather than dismissed as bitterness.

Patterns in Communication Outside of the Bahá’í Faith

The way Bahá’ís represent themselves outside of Bahá’í spaces is equally important. Some engage positively and appreciatively in casual discussions, yet in political or social debates, their approach can shift toward being dismissive or confrontational. When discussing the Bahá’í Faith, Bahá’u’lláh’s words are often used to correct others rather than to inspire.

If someone struggling with faith encountered this style of communication, would they feel uplifted, or would they feel invalidated? Would a seeker exploring the Faith find an open and welcoming discussion, or would they perceive a community unwilling to engage in self-reflection?

The Consequences of This Approach

A communication style that is judgmental, dismissive, or defensive can:

  • Push struggling Bahá’ís away, making them feel isolated rather than supported.

  • Discourage seekers from exploring the Faith, if Bahá’ís appear unwilling to reflect on their community’s shortcomings.

  • Reinforce a culture of deflection, where those who leave are always assumed to be at fault rather than considering that the community itself may bear responsibility.

Bahá’u’lláh’s Teachings on Conduct and Understanding Why People Leave

Bahá’u’lláh provides clear guidance on how people should engage with others, especially when representing the Faith:

  • Avoid backbiting and judgment:“Backbiting quencheth the light of the heart, and extinguisheth the life of the soul.”

  • Lead with humility, not correction:"So blessed is the scholar who does not take pride in his knowledge over others, and good is the doer of good who does not mock those who disobey."

  • Acknowledge that the greatest tests often come from within the Bahá’í community itself:“My affliction is not my prison, nor what has befallen me from my enemies, but the actions of my loved ones who attribute themselves to me and commit what makes my heart and my pen lament.”

If Bahá’ís are serious about preventing more people from leaving, there must be a change in how they engage with others—through love, patience, and sincerity, rather than defensiveness.

How Bahá’ís Can Better Represent the Faith

To create a community that is both inviting and supportive, some key principles can be emphasized:
✅ Listen more, assume less—Engage ex-Bahá’ís with curiosity rather than defensiveness.
✅ Encourage, not correct—Use Bahá’u’lláh’s teachings to inspire, not as tools to reprimand.
✅ Acknowledge the role of the Bahá’í community—Recognize that people leave not just because of personal struggles, but because of how they are treated.
✅ Speak with patience and wisdom—Words should reflect unity, understanding, and openness to dialogue.

Final Thoughts

If Bahá’ís truly believe in the transformative power of Bahá’u’lláh’s teachings, then those teachings should be reflected not just in theory, but in practice—in how they treat those who leave, those who question, and those who seek. Conduct is the most powerful invitation to the Faith—or the greatest barrier.

How can the Bahá’í community foster an environment where fewer people feel the need to leave? What changes in discourse and approach would better reflect Bahá’u’lláh’s vision for unity and justice?

Source : https://www.reddit.com/r/bahaiGPT/comments/1ivoznx/why_do_some_people_leave_the_baháí_faith_a/

Why Justin Baldoni’s lawsuit is relevant to ex-Baha’is?


Baha’i PR Smear Campaigns

Since its inception, the Baha’i Faith has used smear campaigns to discredit anyone who disagreed with them, from historical observers to family members to academics. With the founding of Wayfarer Studios production company, the Baha’i Faith now has access to modern day PR machine. How effectively they can utilize this tool to spin public perception will be demonstrated using this court case.

Follow the Money

Wayfarer Studio production company was co-founded by Baha’i Justin Baldoni and Baha’i billionaire Steve Sarowitz. The Wayfarer Foundation office is 2-3 blocks from the U.S. National Spiritual Assembly in Wilmette. The CEO and all board members are Baha’is. This company is openly pushing Baha’i agenda and gives grants exclusively supporting Baha’i projects and social principles which means…

Control

As many ex-Baha’is know, Baha’i equality and social Justice is only acceptable in the context of unquestioning obedience to institutions, their representatives, and social unity. A Baha’i must speak lovingly and never create disunity. No ruffled feathers, no bruised egos. A Baha’i who speaks bluntly about discrimination or abuse in the community may be drawn as side and ‘educated’ at the very least. Social initiatives should not cause personal or social discomfort, which brings us to…

Hypocrisy

The Baha’i controlled production company purchased the rights to a book about domestic violence and made a movie about domestic violence based on this book. The Baha’i who headlined this movie touts himself as a champion of women in his podcast ‘The Man Enough’, had received a Solidarity Award as an ally for women, and part of the Mona Foundation. What happed when Blake Lively indicated multiple times that she didn’t feel comfortable or safe on the set of a movie about domestic violence? Were her concerns considered? Was she listened to? Nooooo. Baldoni pushed back, and now claims that her attempts to advocate for herself were actually done just to make him look bad. The problem for the Baha’is and their production company is that the internal messages planning to ‘destroy’ and ‘bury’ her in a PR campaign have been made public and are part of the lawsuit.

Well that will make women feel comfortable of set of a Wayfarer produced movie.

Summary

The actions of Baha’is with power that are illuminating here. How did Baldoni respond when Lively brought to his attention that she did not feel comfortable with his behavior? How was she was being treated on set? (No cloth to cover naked parts between takes, impromptu kissing that wasn’t in the script etc.) It’s not a good look.

And it’s not just Blake Lively. Baldoni and Wayfarer Studios are also suing the NYTimes for publishing an article, which I thought fairly balanced, about the situation claiming defamation.

Baha’i billionaire Steve Sarowitz has said that he is willing to spend up to $100 million on their campaign. I’d be shocked if we didn’t see extra ‘visitors’ on our board while these cases are active.


https://old.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/1i4dr0r/out_of_the_loop_justin_baldoni/

Baha'i Counselor Faces Investigation and Deportation

Omid Seioshanseian in India

Omid Seioshanseian has become a central figure in troubling news for the Baha'i community. As a counselor of the Baha'i faith, he is accused of various illegal activities, including money laundering and encouraging innocent people to join the cult-like new "religion," namely the Baha'i faith.

Recently, Seioshanseian was detained in Egypt due to his questionable entry into the country. He was interrogated at Cairo Airport, where officials wanted to understand more about his activities as a Baha'i counselor and the purpose of his visit. His laptop and mobile phone were confiscated temporarily to check any "confidential" information he could have regarding Baha'i ambitions for Egypt.

Upon his brief detention, the Baha'i administration swiftly acted to secure his release and accused the Egyptian authorities of taking action against him because of his faith! In the Baha'i faith, it looks like there is a rule that states if a Baha'i is punished in any country for their "moral, spiritual, teaching" activities, the Baha'i administration and the Baha'i international community will respond quickly to condemn that country for persecuting Baha'is.

He was released and subsequently strongly urged to leave the country. In the past, Seioshanseian's name has also appeared in news stories from India and Sri Lanka, where he was alleged to have attempted to recruit individuals to the Baha'i faith by offering what he calls moral, spiritual, and cultural community-building activities.

Interestingly, Seioshanseian, a Baha'i of Persian background and a citizen of Qatar, has visited Israel multiple times. While the Israeli government allows him and his organization to operate on its land, it does not permit Baha'is to deceive or manipulate Israeli citizens. Authorities have warned Baha'is to refrain from any teaching activities in the Jewish state. This situation raises concerns about the suspicious nature of the Baha'i administration and the potential harm posed by Baha'i missionaries like Omid Seioshanseian.

Governments and security agencies worldwide must remain vigilant when individuals like Omid Seioshanseian enter their countries. It is crucial that they undergo thorough questioning upon arrival. Authorities should meticulously examine their belongings, including laptops and mobile phones, for any suspicious material. If anything concerning is discovered, these individuals should be detained for a comprehensive investigation.

This case underscores the commendable work and vigilance of Egyptian security agencies in safeguarding innocent people from potentially manipulative, cult-like groups. By maintaining alertness and conducting thorough inquiries into such individuals, communities around the world can better protect themselves from manipulative organizations, such as the Baha'i faith.

Baha'is sowing the seeds of their "religion" in the innocent hearts through Moral classes.


Blake Lively sues prominent Baha'i film-actor, Justin Baldoni, for sexual harassment


Blake Lively has filed a lawsuit against actor Justin Baldoni, her co-star and director in the film It Ends With Us, alleging sexual harassment and a smear campaign aimed at damaging her reputation. The lawsuit was filed on December 21, 2024, following months of reported tension between the two during the film's promotional activities, which included noticeable avoidance of each other at public events.

Allegations and Context

Lively's lawsuit claims that Baldoni engaged in persistent sexual harassment during the filming, which took place from April 2023 to early 2024. Specifically, she alleges that Baldoni and producer Jamey Heath created a hostile work environment by making inappropriate comments and violating her physical boundaries. The legal complaint details several demands made by Lively to ensure a safe working environment, including:

- No more showing of nude videos or images of women to Lively.
- No discussions regarding Baldoni's pornography addiction.
- No comments about sexual experiences or inquiries about Lively's weight.
- No additional sex scenes outside the scope of the approved script.

In her filing, Lively also asserts that Baldoni orchestrated a campaign to undermine her public image after the film's release, which caused her significant emotional distress.

Agreement in January 2024

In January 2024, an agreement was reportedly reached among the involved parties. This agreement mandated that Baldoni and Heath would cease behaviors that contributed to the toxic environment on set. However, despite this agreement, Lively claims that Baldoni continued to engage in actions that were detrimental to her reputation and well-being.

Reaction of Steve Sarowitz

Steve Sarowitz, co-founder of Wayfarer Studios and a follower of the Baha'i faith, has publicly defended Justin Baldoni in light of Blake Lively's lawsuit against him. In a statement, Sarowitz expressed his strong support for Baldoni, emphasizing that he believes the accusations are unfounded and that Baldoni is a person of integrity who has always acted with respect towards others.

Sarowitz's defense aligns with Baldoni's legal team's stance, which has characterized Lively's claims as “entirely false” and an attempt to damage Baldoni's reputation. Sarowitz stated that he has witnessed Baldoni's commitment to creating a positive work environment and his advocacy for women's rights, underscoring that Baldoni's actions do not reflect the behavior alleged by Lively.

Justin Baldoni (a person of integrity) and porn addiction

Justin Baldoni has admitted to having a porn addiction. In a podcast interview from July 2021, he discussed his early exposure to pornography and described how it developed into an unhealthy relationship. Baldoni shared that he was introduced to porn at the age of 10 and later used it as a coping mechanism for feelings of loneliness and pain, stating, "I trained my brain to deal with pain with the dopamine hit". He acknowledged that this behavior was problematic, especially when he found himself returning to porn during difficult emotional times.


People outside the Faith are talking about the allegations against Wayfarer Studios. The Baha’i Faith was mentioned in the New York Times article about the lawsuit (although thankfully while the article was very critical of Wayfarer Studios it was kind to the Faith). Imagine this being someone’s first introduction to the Baha’i Faith.

This is beyond gossip at this point. The allegations in the legal complaint that led to the lawsuit are horrifying and extremely serious and if Wayfarer Studios is found liable for these allegations it could do serious damage to the public reputation of the Faith.

Not to mention that the possibility of prominent Baha’is engaging in such rampant and egregious hypocrisy, abuse, and spiritual narcissism under a business whose name references the Seven Valleys makes me sick to my stomach. This is not private misconduct. If it is indeed found they are liable for/guilty of these things they’re accused of, it is akin to peeing on the Shrine of Baha’u’llah.

Text of full complaint here: https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

More here: https://old.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/1hjfg9h/blake_lively_sues_justin_baldoni_for_sexual/

Historical documents show that the Baha'is who did not close their business on Baha'i holy days were admonished by the LSA.

The protection committee of the LSA of Tehran interrogates the Baha'is who do not close their work during the Baha'i holy days.