The Baha’i administration claims there is no resident Baha'i population in Israel. The 650-700 Baha'is who can be found here at any given time are all volunteers who have come from some 85 countries to do service for periods ranging from a few months to a few years. The Baha'is who live here as tourists or temporary residents do not engage in any form of missionary activity. Some people erroneously believe that this is in accordance with the country's anti-missionary laws, but in fact it is a self-imposed Baha'i prohibition against seeking or accepting new believers into the Baha'i faith in the Holy Land that dates back to the time when the country was still under Ottoman rule. No one knows why. It is one of several inexplicable Baha'i regulations.It is a well known fact that according to a letter of Universal House of Justice1 the Baha'i s are not suppose to teach and convert the Jew population in Israel. Infact if a Jew outside Israel wants to accept Baha’i Faith and settle in Israel, then his declaration card is not to be accepted
But The world Christian encyclopedia (WCE)2 has something else to offer.
In the year 1990, the number of Baha’is residing in Israel were 9500. The source of the information was Barrett, David B., World Christian Encyclopedia (2001), Data transcribed by Simeon Kohlman Rabbani
In the year 2000, the Baha’i population in Israel was 13734 which constituted 0.22% of the total population of Israel, again the source of this information was David B., World Christian Encyclopedia (2001), Data transcribed by Simeon Kohlman Rabbani
If the WCE information is true than it is clear that the Baha’i Administration at Haifa is misusing the Hospitality offered so generously by the State of Israel, This is indeed a deceit to the Host country which has so generously offered all its help and hospitality to the Baha’is and the Baha’i Administration. Their hypocrisy has been exposed by WCE; the other facts which are inexpiable are following facts:
• For years the Haifan Baha’i leadership have been telling visiting pilgrims that they envisioned a day when the Baha’i establishment would become the government of Israel and that the Israeli population would convert en masse to Baha’i Faith.
• One of a very senior Baha’i official Mr. Aliakbar Forutan said that a day will come when the Universal House of Justice will rule over the Israel.
• The present Persian counselors say in private that, we have to launch Intensive program of growth in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. Most of the Persian counselors have two passports one Israeli and other Persian.
• As far as I am concerned, the unchecked presence of Haifan Baha’is in Israel is as big and long-term existential threat to Israel itself. When you have an organization openly fantasizing about becoming the governing authority over all of Israel-Palestine and giving false information about the presence of Baha’is in Israel then it is certain that it is more a threat to the State of Israel then blessing...
(1) For your information, the people in Israel have access to factual information about the Faith, its history and general principles. Books concerning the Faith are available in libraries throughout Israel, and Israelis are welcome to visit the Shrines and the surrounding gardens. However, in keeping with a policy that has been strictly followed since the days of Bahá'u'lláh, Bahá'ís do not teach the Faith in Israel. Likewise, the Faith is not taught to Israelis abroad if they intend to return to Israel. When Israelis ask about the Faith, their questions are answered, but this is done in a manner which provides factual information without stimulating further interest.
(2) World Christian Database (WCD) – Updated and maintained by the Center for the Study of Global Christianity, the World Christian Database is based on information provided by the World Christian Encyclopedia and World Christian Trends. Both of these books serve as standards for international religious statistics, and provide comprehensive estimates of religious affiliation around the world.
Until the late 1990s the UHJ was telling its visiting pilgrims that one day all the residents of Israel would become Bahais and that the UHJ would emerge as the government of Israel. This was stated point blank to a group of Bahai pilgrims in 1982 as well as 1986. Don't know whether they are saying these things anymore as brazenly as they once did, but if it is still the case, one could make the argument that the UHJ Haifan organization is ultimately a national security threat to the state of Israel itself.
ReplyDeleteFirst, How could this Wahid Azal that belongs to a different Religious faith, make judgment as to what the House of Justice was saying to the Baha'i pilgrims?
ReplyDeleteThere is no way that the Baha'i Faith can be a security threat for any State or National Government; Baha'i as a Religious Institution, by law its members are forbidden to take part in partisan politics. And furthermore, If the Baha'i law is in conflict with the law of the land of any Government then they most fatefully obey the law of that Government. Example: Baha'is don't teach their faith in Israel because Israel is a Religious State, and that would be in conflict with Israeli law. Though The Baha'i Faith was established many decades before Israel there has been complete harmony between the two; The Faith of Bahá'u'lláh and its endowments are protected by Israeli Constitution, and so is the state of Israel protected by Baha'i law.
First of all, there are so many pilgrim notes available on the internet. May be Wahid is quoting from some pilgrim's notes. May be some Baha'i told him that thing or may be Wahid himself was present when it was said in 1982 and 1986. You must know that Wahid is an ex-Baha'i and he is a scholar and expert in so many languages. He has challenged so many Baha'i scholars to have a open debate with him.
ReplyDeleteSecondly, Baha'i faith is a threat, because it wants to establish a world commonwealth, that will be ruled by that '9 all male dominated', supreme Haifan administration body, that is believed to be infallible and sitting in Haifa under the protection of Israeli government.
Baha'ism is not a religion. It is more like a Multinational Corporate Firm having its office in different countries and a structure like a Corporate Inc. The believer's are card carrying members. The religious symbols are Registered Trademarks. The ABMs spy over the members and interfere in the personal affairs of the members. There is no freedom of expression. You cannot question the Supreme body. The Baha'i Elections are fraudulent. There are financial scams under the name of Huququllah. So many things, just read this blog.
The Baha'is do not obey the law of the land. They only obey the laws of the most Holy Land, Israel.
They are involved in deceptive conversions in so many countries where this type of proselytization is not allowed. The Baha'i schools are deceptively converting the non baha'i children in so many countries. The Children Classes and Youth Programmes are all meant for conversions. But operated under the name of Moral and Social programmes. Why don't you start some children classes and JYSEP for the children and youth of Israel. Just Moral upbringing ;)
Mr. Abdul Baha the servant of UK and US and later on Mr. Shoghi and her widow clearly showed their love for these countries. Today the unconditional support from these countries to the Baha'is is the pension of the 'unconditional service' of the founders of this religion.
"The state of Israel protected by Baha'i law" What do you mean by this?
It must be known that pilgrim notes are what people reported what they heard said, but hearsay can not overlap the authenticated Word and policies of the Faith. If policies of the Faith ware based on hearsay disorder and confusion would prevail. All things that has to do with the Faith, can be found in the authenticated writings of the Faith.
ReplyDeleteYour second point that the Baha'i is a threat: the Baha'i faith does predict that the leaders of the nations will come together for the purpose of establishing world peace among the nations and they will establish a world Government then a world commonwealth will come about as a result of this union. The leaders of the Nations themselves will bring this about, NOT the Baha'i Faith. There is no prediction or teaching in the Baha'i Faith that the House of Justice will rule that commonwealth. As to the protection of Israeli government, all the Religious sites in Israel are under Israeli protection.
Your next point is: "Baha'ism is not a religion." The Baha'i Faith is a religion that's based on the worship of the One True God as like the other Abrahamic Religions.
I've never heard of the Baha'i Administration Order being compard to a "Multinational Corporate Firm".'
About spying "over the members and interfere in the personal affairs of the members." This is a new one on me, and how could that be? The Assembly members are elected by secret ballots from the Baha'is by the Bahai's that live in the same zone. The elected members of the Assembly has no special status, and their service is volunteered without any pay. And new elections take place every year. The Baha'i Faith is not a congregational type of religion, there is no clergy, Bahai's volunteer to serve on committees and lovingly consult on all matters of concerned. Baha'is serving on these institutions are individuals besides being close friends most have expanded family's; Any kind of spying would be impossible, and is not heard of.
"There is no freedom of expression." On the contrary, one has complet freedom of expression as long as its not demeaning of others, or an attack on the Faith with the intent to divide Its Unity.
"You cannot question the Supreme body." Yes you can, people both Baha'i and none Baha'is, contact The House of Justice for their questions. These questions are researched by the research deparment of the House of Justice for a responce.
The Baha'i Elections are fraudulent. A fraudulent election would be imposable for the same reasons as for spying. (above)
You claim that: "There are financial scams under the name of Huququllah." Bahá'u'lláh instituted the Huququllah, interpreted as "The Right Of God". All Religions have amount $ to be tithe in the service of ther faith. The Baha'i Faith dose likewise, and there are no scams about it.
You clam: "The Baha'is do not obey the law of the land. They only obey the laws of the most Holy Land, Israel." This is not true! Its the law of Bahá'u'lláh that the Baha'is faithfully obey the laws of the land where they reside. There is but one law that Baha'is don't have to obey, that is any law that says: Baha'is have to renounce their Faith.
Another clam about the Baha'is is that: "They are involved in deceptive conversions in so many countries where this type of proselytization is not allowed." First, proselytizing is forbiding to the Baha'is; they share faith with their acquaintance, but there's no presure to convert. When there is a law against teaching a religion, like in China, they abstain from doing so.
ReplyDeleteThis clam is imposable: "The Baha'i schools are deceptively converting the non baha'i children in so many countries." The Baha'is cant convert the children, because no one can become a Baha'i under 15 years of age.
The purpose of these youth Programmes are misunderstood, according to what you wrote: "The Children Classes and Youth Programmes are all meant for conversions."
This is not the case; Yes, the Baha'is that have an interest in Children education do invit the neighborhood for Children Classes and some of the other parents participate also. There is a home schooling in the same area that's run by a Baha'i, a Christian, and a Jew, and other mothers with their childern participate to.
Youth Programmes has more to do with problems that youth's have, like alcohol and drugs, bulling, Gang influence, suicides, and the like of mature parenting, and others.
You said: ".... Today the unconditional support from these countries(UK US) to the Baha'is is the pension of the 'unconditional service' of the founders of this religion." No one can give to the Baha'i Faith Fund except the Baha'is, no exceptions. You are still misinformed.
"The state of Israel protected by Baha'i law" What do you mean by this?
By this, Baha'i law dictates that Baha'is will abide faithfully with Israel's law.
Regards
Dear Anonymous (Please give your name, that UHJ is not going to beat you or Shun you for that)
ReplyDeleteYou said "then disorder and confusion would prevail".
My Answer : That is prevailing, why there are so many sects? Why Court Cases? Why trademarks? Why so many covenant breakers? Why so many without Administrative rights?
See this : http://www.sectsofbahais.com
http://bahaifaith7thcircuitcourtofappeals.blogspot.com/
There IS prediction in the Baha'i Faith that the House of Justice will rule that commonwealth. This commonwealth is called as the WORLD BAHA'I COMMONWEALTH by Shoghi Effendi Read it :
"Haifa, Israel - 'permanent world Administrative Centre of the future Baha'i Commonwealth, destined never to be separated from, and to function in proximity of the Spiritual Centre of (the) Faith'... "
http://bahaism.blogspot.com/2010/01/bahai-world-commonwealth.html
one more discussion is here :
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/a8466c509f83d03b
"Baha'ism today is functioning just like a Corporate firm because of its Bogus UHJ and Corporate Administrative System"
Read this :
http://www.reformbahai.org/
http://circleh.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/why-i-quit-the-baha%E2%80%99i-faith/
http://www.truebahai.com/
About Baha'i Election Scams in different countries
Read this :
http://bahaielections.wordpress.com/
Freedom of Expression in the Baha'i faith :
See this :
http://www.religioustolerance.org/bahai5.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/talisman.html
About spying and harrasment
read this:
http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/nur/ex-bahai-turned-sufi-spied-and-harrassed-between-continents-bahai-administration
About financial scams :
read this :
http://www.1844event.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=68:bahai-trustees-accused-of-embezzling-funds&catid=1:latest-news
http://bahai-digest.blogspot.com/2007/05/financial-scandal-rocks-italian-bahai.html
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/BANK%20FRAUD.htm
About Baha'is not obeying the laws of the land you can read this blog (bahaism.blogspot.com), there are many such cases.
Read these two blogs also :
http://ruhibooks.blogspot.com
http://panchgani-bahais.blogspot.com
For deceptive conversions, visit the above blogs.
For Baha'i schools visit the same above blogs.
For BCC and JYSEP
http://bahaism.blogspot.com/2009/08/bahais-arrested-in-uzbekistan-for.html
About the unconditional support to Baha'is from the imperialist and colonialist countries, I did not only mean financial support, but all sort of support and how these countries are using the Baha'is to serve their purposes to blame different countries.
About Baha'i & Israel relationship
see this :
http://bahai-israel.webs.com/
I doubt perhaps you will read this stuff! Please do Visit the above links, then lets have a discussion and come to a conclusion.
I thank you for giving me the opportunity to present these links to you on the 'auspicious day' of meeting "God with God". I mean the manifestation of God (MOG), Bab, returned to the actual God today!!! So this is a day to celebrate, today was the day when He (MOG) left this 'dirty' world and merged with Himself (GOD). I mean He merged in Himself in His kingdom, Abha Kingdom. Bye
Warm regards
Nadeem
I looked over those links you posted and without a doubt it was a conglomeration of Anti Baha'i propagandist; Its like at the time when earth brings forth its fruits, but there are those who object, saying: 'don't look, there's no fruit, because its still the winter season'. Consider, If you wanted to know about a religion, would you ask someone who was advisedly against that Faith, or would you search the matter for your on selves?
ReplyDeleteIt is a teaching of the Baha'i Faith that one should not accept a religion because Its their families Faith, or Its their Countries Faith. Baha'i children are encouraged to investigate the reality of other religion's before they decide to join any faith.
Bahá’u’lláh teaches, to search out all things with a searching eye; And He observes: "Indeed, were sincere seekers to be found, every emanation of God’s pervasive and irresistible Will would, for the sake of His love, be revealed. But where are to be found earnest seekers and inquiring minds? Whither are gone the equitable and the fair-minded?"
For those "earnest seekers and inquiring minds" you can read from the source?
http://reference.bahai.org/en/
For more information: http://www.bahai.org/
Regards, sky
My Friend Sky regarding the official Haifan Baha'i link that you provided, everybody is aware of that original censored Baha'i website. That only provides partial and biased haifan views.
ReplyDeleteYou said you have seen the links that I provided to you and you say this is mere anti-baha'i propaganda!
Please tell me which website / blog that I provided link of contains false information. Tell me please and give me a chance to clarify.
There are no false accusations in any of the blog / website. All the information that has been provided on these blogs / websites are true and can be verified.
This is all that your UHJ and BIA does not want you all to see. Doesn't they recommend you to close your eyes when this kind of information comes in front of you? Doesn't they ask you to immediately delete the mails after forwarding to the concerned ABMs or Counselors?
Amazing man! You see so many wrong things and you just say them to be propaganda. Amazing!!!
The truth lovers always dares to accept the truth. They are not afraid of Shunning or being Social Boycotted. You need to independently investigate the truth, just don't depend on all that crap of official Haifan Baha'i biased websites.
bye take care.
The fact that you are Opposed to the Baha'i Faith, that is ample proof that you will not be inclined to give a fare appraisal of its Teachings; and if one investigates the truth for themselves, so they would know the truth for themselves, would you encourage them? I don't think so!
ReplyDeleteAS for those websites all I've seen accusations, and if a Baha'i speaks of his faith, it is could a lie, without any proofs?
And take car yourself
Dear Sky,
ReplyDeleteI am not the only one to oppose your faith. The people like me are increasing day by day and the EXIT BY TROOPS has started into your cult. When are you Exiting? ;)
The Original sources are biased as I earlier also said. They (UHJ) have translated only that stuff which is beneficial for them in the western countries. They have not translated a lot of persian stuff and the reason that they provide is false. They will not translate it coz it will create problems from them.
For any moslem, jew, christian, hindu anybody if they want to read Baha'i material I am not etal opposed to it. Please do read. Also read the critical articles, please.
What is wrong is stopping the poor haifan members (believers) to read critical stuffs. You current prophet (UHJ) says these kind of material is poisonous, you know that?
You did not tell me which website or blog contains accusations? I await your answer! Please tell me which one!
Thank you, bye!
Nadeem said...
ReplyDelete"Dear Sky,"
(I am not the only one to oppose your faith. The people like me are increasing day by day and the EXIT BY TROOPS has started into your cult. When are you Exiting?) End Quote.
**You are right, there are increasingly more anti Baha'i websites, and this will increase as the Faith spreads in influence. These attacks will only serve to spread the Baha'i Faith and make it stronger.
As to the exit of Baha'is: The Faith has seen a vast increase of new believers, more so then compared to the past few decades.**
Nadeem said...
(The Original sources are biased as I earlier also said. They (UHJ) have translated only that stuff which is beneficial for them in the western countries. They have not translated a lot of persian stuff and the reason that they provide is false. They will not translate it coz it will create problems from them.) End Quote.
**Bahá'u'lláh, Set down the way to preserve the Tablets, and the time for their released. Writings will gradually be published during the centuries; The reason for this, is, the Faith is not a static revelation, It is progressive, and if man and society are to be progressive, the Religion of man needs to be progressive also. Their is a meticulous undertaking to prepare a Holy Tablet for publcation. First, The Tablet has to be authenticated; Next, The Tablet has to be translated into thousands of languages; but before this, the House of Justice must legislate on what is needed at the time. There are over 70,000 authenticated Tablets by the Central Figures of the Faith, and their are hundreds of thousands of Tablets that are waiting to be authenticated. Reason will dictate the time for the release of these Tablets!**
Nadeem said...
(What is wrong is stopping the poor haifan members (believers) to read critical stuffs. You current prophet (UHJ) says these kind of material is poisonous, you know that?)
**What you wrote about not reading "critical stuffs" is not accurate. What Bahá'u'lláh teaches is "... not to view with too critical an eye the sayings and writings of men. Let them rather approach such sayings and writings in a spirit of open-mindedness and loving sympathy." Bahá'u'lláh continues by saying: "Those men, however, who, in this Day, have been led to assail, in their inflammatory writings, the tenets of the Cause of God, are to be treated differently. It is incumbent upon all men, each according to his ability, to refute the arguments of those that have attacked the Faith of God." Gleanings, Baha'u'llah, p. 329)**
**If Bahai's are supposed to respond to attacks on the Faith, how can they do so if they don't read the "critical stuffs" about the faith?**
Continue next blog
**Bahá'u'lláh revealed a Covenant with His followers, that said, ineffect, 'if you believe in Me you will accept My Administration.' Their are some that broke the Covenant by claiming a station that was above their station, and when their design failed, they became enemies and tried to divide the Faith. The purpose of the Covenant is to protect the Faith from Her enemies; therefore Baha'is are to completely shun the Covenant Breakers. If a person with an infectious diseases is exposed to a healthy group, would the diseased person catch the health of the group? No, instead, the group would become infected with that person's disease. The only enemy of the Baha'i Faith are the Covenant Breakers; one must first be a Baha'i to have been a Covenant Breaker. The difference is, the reiteration may be similar, however a covenant breaker is still a believer in Baha'i but would rather serve in hell then to reside in Heaven, he is a danger to the Faith; the other is NOT a believer that expresses his bias of the Faith; he is no danger to the Faith.**
ReplyDelete**As to Your reference:** "You current prophet (UHJ)"...
**The House of Justice, has no prophetic function, its function is to legislate.**
**As to those Anti Baha'i website's, they represent what a bias person would like others to believe is true. The Baha'is have a much different perspective of the Baha'i Faith. The big difference is, that the bias would have you to shout your eyes to the truth of the matter; Whereby, the Baha'is would have you to investigate the matter so you will know the truth for yourself. What is better, to close your eyes to the truth, or investgate what the truth is?**
Nadeem said:
(You did not tell me which website or blog contains accusations? I await your answer! Please tell me which one!)
**Nadeem, I think you know yourself the blog that contains accusations?**
Regards, sky
Hello sky
ReplyDeleteNice to see you here again
my responses to you are as follows :
You said : "These attacks will only serve to spread the Baha'i Faith"
My response : I beg to disagree. Firstly in which country your cult is spreading, give me statistical proof (recent statistics)? And where are the attacks? These are 100% facts with appropriate references. I can say, at least on this blog. Why you disagree that there are some severe problems going on with your cult? Why do you consider FACTS as ATTACKS? Why?
Second Point :
Why isn't these documents translated ?
Abu'l-Fadl, Mirza, Istidlaliyyih, 1309 H, 42 pages, Browne Or. Ms F27(9), 1. proofs written for Jews
Why some of the nice works of Subh-i-Azal (before his breaking covenant) not translated?
Why complete Bayan is not translated?
Why Nikus book not translated?
There are 100s of other important books not translated at least in english they should translate it.
Third Point :
Baha'is are not supposed to talk to the covenant breakers, leave aside reading their material. When did you read the Azali Material. Did you ever visited Bayanic.com, what you have read tell me? Show me a place where you have refuted all the claims of AZALIS? Show me a debate with AZALIS, I want to read it?
read this :
http://bahai-library.com/unpubl.compilations/nonassociation.html
Regarding Covenant Breakers :
I would say that there is no difference between you guys and those sitting in Iran. Same ideology Shunning and torturing. Read what your company (Admin System) did to Wahid Azal and others. The torture in the name of religion. Those Iranian mollas and you guys in this aspect are same but a little difference. At least all the 3 million Baha'is are not tortured. But all the CBs tortured, read their stories from their pen. What you did to Dennis McEoin, Wahid Azal, Karen Banquet, Eric Stetson, Fredrick Glaysher, Steve Marshall, Joan cole and so many other scholars can be googled and read.
About UHJ the supreme body, it is bogus, I trust Orthodox Baha'is in this matter. Who gave the right to the Hands of Cause to elect this body. Where did Shoghi writes that these hands of cause should establish the UHJ? Where it is? give me exact reference? This was all the game done by the widow of Shoghi who was a the main culprit according to orthodox Baha'is. They have proofs for this and I think you should investigate 'independently' the truth.
Regarding UHJ you are saying 'to legislate' and your counselor says :
"We don't want to be like those people who want to see God with their own eyes, or hear His melody with their own ears, because we have been given the gift of being able to see through the eyes of the House of Justice and listen through the ears of the House of Justice." - Bahai Counselor Rebeque Murphy
Regarding False accusations, please let me know specifically what is false and what you feel is accusation. The author NASER EMTESALI is my good friend and I will ask him to remove that post and I hope he will agree. Please be specific in this regard.
Greetings
ReplyDeleteYou said:
(UHJ the supreme body, it is bogus ... Who gave the right to the Hands of Cause to elect this body. Where did Shoghi writes that these hands of cause should establish the UHJ?)
1. In the Kitáb-i-Aqdas Bahá'u'lláh ordains both the Universal
House of Justice and the Local Houses of Justice.
(Baha'u'llah, Synopsis and Codification of the Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 57)
And now, concerning the House of Justice which God hath ordained as the source of all good and freed from all error, it must be elected by universal suffrage, that is, by the believers.
(Shoghi Effendi, Baha'i Administration, p. 10)
In His Will and Testament 'Abdu'l-Bahá conferred the mantle of Guardian of the Cause and infallible Interpreter of its teachings upon His eldest grandson, Shoghi Effendi, and confirmed the authority and guarantee of divine guidance decreed by Bahá'u'lláh for the Universal House of Justice on all matters "which have not outwardly been revealed in the Book".
(Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 3)
... the Universal House of Justice to be universally elected and established, are both under the care and protection of the Abha Beauty, under the shelter and unerring guidance of the Exalted One. (Abdu'l-Baha, The Will and Testament, p. 11)
66. Aghsán # 42
“Aghsán” is the Arabic word for “Branches”. This term is used by Bahá’u’lláh to designate His male descendants. It has particular implications not only for the disposition of endowments but also for the succession of authority following the passing of Bahá’u’lláh (see note 145) and of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá.
This passage of the Aqdas, therefore, anticipates the succession of chosen Aghsán and thus the institution of the Guardianship and envisages the possibility of a break in their line. (Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 196)
Revert to the people of Bahá; Bahá’u’lláh provides for the possibility that the line of Aghsán would terminate prior to the establishment of the Universal House of Justice. He designated that in such a situation “endowments shall revert to the people of Bahá”. Following the passing of Shoghi Effendi in 1957, the Hands of the Cause of God directed the affairs of the Cause until the election of the Universal House of Justice in 1963 (Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 197)
Summary:
First: In the Kitáb-i-Aqdas Bahá'u'lláh ordains the Universal House of Justice; and was to-be elected by universal suffrage, and this is how the House of Justice was elected; Note, the Hands did not elect the UHJ, the Baha'i s of the world did.
Next: The Kitáb-i-Aqdas anticipates a break in their line “Aghsán” thus, passing of Shoghi Effendi in 1957, and the “endowments shall revert to the people of Bahá”.
The Hands are the "Chief Stewards of Bahá'u'lláh's embryonic World Commonwealth", and as such guided
the Faith until the election of The Universal House of Justice. There is nothing "bogus" about it.
Regards; sky
Continue responses to questions next Blog
Continued from above
ReplyDelete(You said : "These attacks will only serve to spread the Baha'i Faith"
My response : I beg to disagree. Firstly in which country your cult is spreading, give me statistical proof (recent statistics)?)
**First, you seem to be confused about the difference between a cult and a Religion; all faith's begin as a cult, but when it starts spreading and has a beneficial influence on individuals, families, and society, then it becomes a Religion.
As for "recent statistics", you can consult an updated Encyclopedia or maybe the internet for the demographics of world Religions.**
**You wrote**
(And where are the attacks? These are 100% facts with appropriate references. I can say, at least on this blog. ...)
**When I discovered this Website, I noticed that inaccurate information was being given about the Baha'i Faith. My own response was to clarify what the actual teachings of the Faith was. When one is bias this prevents objectivity and when objectiveness is lost, all thats left is falsehood. Accusations from a bias vew point is not a standard for truth.**
**As to your second point, 'why wasn't certain documents translated'.**
**The Brilliant Proofs by Abu'l-Fadl, was written for the believers of the west as a predecessor to 'The Book Of Certitude', by Bahá'u'lláh. Abu'l-Fadl was a Apostle of both Bahá'u'lláh then after Him 'Abdu'l-Bahá. Other published works of Abu'l-Fadl are his "Essays", and his "Letters to Egypt" all so his Book "Miracles & Metaphors". I have all these Books in my library.**
**Why the works of Subh-i-Azal wasn't traslated?**
**I don't know when Subh-i-Azal was declared a Covenant breaker, but he was unfaithful to the cause and for meany decades, and was a source of troubles for the Faith.**
(Why complete Bayan is not translated?)
**'The Bayan, the Seven Proofs and Commentary on the Surih of Joseph,' ... as I understand these works has been translated, but only partly published. All of the works of The Báb will in due time be published.
Baha'is understand the principle of "progressive revelation", within the revelation as set forth by Bahá'u'lláh: "This divinely-purposed delay in the revelation of the basic laws of God for this age, and the subsequent gradual implementation of their provisions, illustrate the principle of progressive revelation which applies, as Bahá'u'lláh Himself explained ... Consider the sun. How feeble its rays the moment it appeareth above the horizon. How gradually its warmth and potency increase as it approacheth its zenith, enabling meanwhile all created things to adapt themselves to the growing intensity of its light. ..."**
(Baha'u'llah, Synopsis and Codification of the Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 4)
Continued
Continued from above:
ReplyDelete(Baha'is are not supposed to talk to the covenant breakers, leave aside reading their material. When did you read the Azali Material)
**Most of the Covenant breakers material, I have read, comes from apologist who uses the Covenant breakers stuff. I'm not interesting in reading morbid stuff that does nothing for the uplifting of the spirit; my interest is the study of world Religions that are of God! Would Christians desire to be guided by magus the magician when they have the Gospel?**
(Read what your company (Admin System) did to Wahid Azal and others. The torture in the name of religion.)
**When one becomes a Baha'i, that person becomes a party of the covenant which protects the Faith and believers from harm; If a Baha'i rejects Bahá'u'lláh's Administration and tries to harm the Faith, or His followers, then that person has three options, Stop his attacks on the Faith, resign their membership, or be shun from the Faith. There is no torture or prejudice to that individual.
As to Wahid Azal, his family members are Baha'is, and his issues, as to the Faith is concern, is between him and the House of Justice; I didn't post on this blog to belittle any person or Religion; all I had in mind was to correct some of the misunderstanding about the Baha'i faith.**
Will be Continued
(Regarding UHJ you are saying 'to legislate' and your counselor says :
ReplyDelete"We don't want to be like those people who want to see God with their own eyes, or hear His melody with their own ears, because we have been given the gift of being able to see through the eyes of the House of Justice and listen through the ears of the House of Justice." - Bahai Counselor Rebeque Murphy)
**This is NOT what was said! Compare the above with what was actualey said?:
Rebequa Murphy demonstrated her deep and sincere attachment to the Covenant of Bahá’u'lláh and her reverence for the Supreme Body, the Center of the Covenant today, when she said, to effect, “[We want to see and hear] through the eyes and ears of the House of Justice [and not through our own eyes and ears].”**
Here the words of Bahá’u'lláh brings the subject into focus:
"If it be your wish, O people, to know God and to discover the greatness of His might, look, then, upon Me with Mine own eyes, and not with the eyes of any one besides Me. Ye will, otherwise, be never capable of recognizing Me, though ye ponder My Cause as long as My Kingdom endureth, and meditate upon all created things throughout the eternity of God, the Sovereign Lord of all, the Omnipotent, the Ever-Abiding, the All-Wise."
(Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, 272-3)
There is no conflict in what Rebequa Murphy said in the above, then with the ethic: "thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not through the knowledge of thy neighbor." In this saying, one should be guided by their own investigation and not the opinion of of others. But when approaching the Word of God, one must quiet the imaginings so to hear what God is truly telling us.
In all the Revelations of God, personal interpretations are not authoritative:
Paul in 1Co 4:5 says: "Therefore, judge nothing before the time until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts.
Isa 55:9, tells us that God's ways and thoughts is far higher than ours: "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts."
And in the Qur"an
"He it is who hath sent down to thee "the Book." Some of its signs are of themselves perspicuous; - these are the basis of the Book - and others are figurative. But they whose hearts are given to err, follow its figures, craving discord, craving an interpretation; yet none knoweth its interpretation but God. And the stable in knowledge say, "We believe in it."
(The Qur'an (Rodwell tr), Sura 3 - The Family of Imran)
In the Baha'i Faith:
"A clear distinction is made in our Faith between authoritative interpretation and the understanding that each individual arrives at for himself from his study of its teachings. ... In fact such individual interpretation is considered the fruit of man's rational power and conducive to a better understanding of the teachings ..."
(Compilations, Lights of guidance, p. 311)
Individual authoritative interpretation of Scriptures has been the cause of thousands of sects in Religion.
Regards, sky
Bahai are Zionist!
ReplyDeleteGreetings
ReplyDeleteBaha'is are not Zionist, they are Baha'i; By definition one must need to be Jewish to be a Zionist. Baha'is are obedient to the laws of Israel, but this doesn't make them Zionist.
Regards
No one does not need to be Jewish to be a Zionist. There are many Christian Zionists, even Hindu Zionists. The Zionists in Israel are Khazars who adopted the worst bits of Judaism... I used to be a Baha'i. I withdrew in 1984 mainly because there are many power seekers and no individual leaders/priests.
DeleteI kept one or two Bahai friends, however my eyes have been really opened recently through the activity of a couple of these people. One is an advisor to the UK and US governments and a most convincing Zionist. I am certain all Bahais are Zionists even though many of them will not know exactly what a Zionist is. All the Baha'i relics and shrines are in Israel and are guarded by Israeli security forces... If a Baha'i was not a Zionist, he/she would not be protecting the faith... The agreement made with the Zionists to buy the land on Mount Carmel is all part of the NWO and bringing the Bahai faith to the world as the religion for the totally corrupt NWO... A total disaster in the making...
I will say that they are powerful people despite all they say... Since I left the aforementioned 'friendship' behind, I have been a victim of a psychic attack...
It will help to look at the Protocols of Zion. You will see a great deal of the writings is actually happening today. Also read up on Christian Zionism...
Baha'is are Zionist means they support Zionism. The one who is silent and agrees the atrocities committed by the Zionist is a Zionist. So Baha'is are Zionist. Will Baha'i Administrative System issue a message condemning the Human Rights violations by the Jewish State of Israel? Do you know that the number of Arab Palestinians killed by the Zionist Jews are much more than the number of Baha'is killed by the Islamic Regime? Do you know the Human Rights record of Israel? Where are the Messages of UHJ condemning this. It is a fact that Baha'is are Zionist because they support it.
ReplyDeleteGive the name of each Muslim killed by Jews. And I'll match it to the number of Jews killed by Muslims during the Ottoman era and the Nazi era where there were Muslims who were concentration camp guards as well as the number of Jews who were killed in Hebron in 1936 and during the first war that the Muslims made now known as the war of independence. If the Pally's want to stop the deaths and killing that come from war than stop dropping bombs on Israel and we can all be friends But your agenda is to kill every Jew regardless what you call us Zionist was the latest name but before that Mohammad called us Pigs and Monkey's or was that ape's But it doesnt matter because I call you for what you are and that is savages.
DeleteHello Water
ReplyDeleteBahá'í Involvement in Politics
"Bahá’u’lláh required that His followers strictly abstain from conflict and contention, which are characteristics of the partisanship practiced in present-day politics. Bahá’ís, in whatever country they reside, are prohibited from holding membership in any political party.
But Bahá’ís are urged to contribute to the welfare of society, one way being to fulfill their civic responsibilities."
Regards, sky
How come this is politics !!!
ReplyDeleteThe Israelis are openly violating International Laws created by united nations, they have captured their lands, deprived the innocents of basic necessities, treating the civilians like animals? All this is politics ? Shame on you and your Baha'u'llah.
Hello Water
ReplyDeleteI can sympathizes with you on human rights, human rights will gradually become established with the globalization of mankind, with a universal recognition of the oneness and wholeness of mankind. Then human rights and justice will prevail. If one aligns them-self with a certain political party he would be in opposition to the others. If the ship of rights comes-to the harbor of iniquity only the partisan Party would share in the unequal rights. These are my thoughts.
Regards, sky
Dear Sky, give me proper answer, these type of Mumbo Jumbo i have read at many places. Give me clear cut answer, OK.
ReplyDeleteIsrael is violating the rights of Palestinian people? Yes or No
Israel is killing Palestinian people ? yes or No
Israel is occupying their lands ? yes or No
Israel is persecuting the Christian and Muslims ? Yes or No
Israel is constantly breaking International Laws? Yes or No
Israel is terrorising some nations? Yes or No
Israel is supporting Bahais? Yes or No
Where is partisan politics here ? These are the issues related to human rights and international laws ? Right or Wrong
Give clear cut answers, OK!
Israel's Jewish Rabbi are not promoting car bombs, terrorism or violence against others including within the Jewish Community.
DeleteWhen the Sunni and Shiite and other sects of Islam stop blowing each other up like a bunch of lemmings jumping over the cliff at the direction of their religious and political leaders, there may be some sympathy for the controls placed upon occupied territories of Palestine.
War does not prove a religions credibility. Better there be no religion than to cause strife or war between man, is one of the teaching of the Baha'i Faith. This is why in a region where there is so much contention the Baha'i Faith is not taught to person in the Orient. That includes the area of modern day Israel, Turkey to the east. Baha'is do answer questions about their faith in those countries, but that is limited to responding to direct questions.
I have known Americans working is Israel who became a Baha'i after self study in Israel. She also knew when she declared her faith she would be asked by the Baha'i s to leave Israel.
So friend, I have no problem with you being a member of the Islamic Faith or the Christian Faith or Jewish. My wish for all of you is Peace and a true and deep understanding of your own religions. If we could only get those 10 Commandments from Mosses mastered. Those 10 Rules to live by, are the foundation of all 4 religions, including the Baha'i Faith.
So don't be a Baha'i, Peace be with you, and leave others in Peace.
From what I understand Bahais do not get involved in any politics and do not take sides with any group. Violence is shunned equally if done by Jew, Muslim, Christian etc. Have Bahais given any admonishment to Israel for their human rights abuses? As far as I know the Bahais have not singled out any country or political group specifically. Violence has been admonished-period. By not officially speaking out against South African apartheid, does not make Bahais siding with apartheid. By not taking sides with the Hindu/Muslim wars in India does not make Baha'is supporting one or the other. Bahais work towards world peace. That's all. Even if UHJ was not in Israel, still the Bahais would not take sides with either side of the conflict. They are all our brothers and sisters.
DeleteOh. I See.
DeleteAnd what about the future wars that UHJ is going to wage with some enemy countries!?
Listen to this video and come back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAqTrdqvYbw
Hello Water
ReplyDeleteWhat I said in my last post was my own understanding of what I believe to be the best way to bring peace and justice to all peoples. Most of the issues you put forward here, I have very little first hand knowledge about them. I live in the US and most of the stuff I hear about Israel and Palestine comes by the way of opinions.
I will comment on one issue that you brought up: "Israel is supporting Bahais? Yes or No"
I know that Israel protects all the Religious sites, being Christian, Moslem are Baha'i; This is an obligation according to their Constitution. There is no finances to the Baha'is from Israel.
Best Regards, sky
You have wrong perception of Israel.
ReplyDeleteGoogle the term "mosque demolished by Zionist regime"
Then see this post :
http://bahaism.blogspot.com/2011/10/hypocricy-of-haifan-bahai-cult.html
Now will you condemn these racist acts! Is your supreme body ready to condemn the open violation of International Laws by Israel!
http://www.countercurrents.org/falk030109.htm
http://news.antiwar.com/2011/09/13/israels-blockade-of-gaza-violates-international-law-says-un-panel/
This in not involvement in Partisan Politics, but purely humanity!
Baha'i International Community calls for release of Christian pastor facing death sentence.
ReplyDelete"Iran's Supreme Court recently asked for a re-examination of the case to establish whether or not he had been a practising Muslim adult before he converted to Christianity. The court ruled he was not but, nevertheless, is still guilty of apostasy because he has Muslim ancestry."
"Then on 1 October, following this global outcry, Iranian state media suddenly reported that Pastor Nadarkhani had in fact been sentenced for other reasons – including violent crimes, extortion, Zionism and being a traitor. These charges had never once been mentioned throughout the entire period when Pastor Nadarkhani was charged, tried, sentenced, up to and including the most recent court hearing."
http://news.bahai.org/story/855
In cases like this sometimes the Baha'is will appeal to a country for protection of that persons rights according to the laws of that country.
Regards, sky
This is what is hypocrisy!
ReplyDeleteI am talking about Israel and you are talking about christian pastor of Iran!
Why don't you talk about this
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/194620.html
If you do not condemn the Human Rights violations of the Jewish regime / if you do not condemn the violations of International Laws...
THEN YOU ARE A ZIONIST.
Hi Water
ReplyDeleteI'm not taking sides, but you been pushing me to acknowledge the inaquty of the Palestine people and condemn as well the Jewish people; you want me to flip a one sided coin, however there is two sides to a coin. I know the Palestine people was left holding the short end of the stick, where rights are concern.
From reference in your post you suggest that the Jews has no right in the land; The Israelites inhabited Palestine for over twenty-five Centuries before Muhammad, and from that time till now.
If you want to know the truth, Google the population of Jews in Palestine, the Ottoman's kept accurate statistics of the different peoples.
And what about the rights of the Jews in Palestine? They were killed by the Moslems for practising their religian; what do U say about that? Were not the Jews the people of the Book? Will you profess that which Muhammad professed.
That link you gave about Israeli jets bombing a Mosque; Could some Jews go to a Moslem sovereignty and build a Synagogue without no permission? Would not the Vis-a-Versa be true also?
Regards, sky
My Dear Iranian Baha'i fried Sky,
ReplyDeleteI don't know why you love Israel so much ?
According to Baha'u'llah the Jews are spiritually blind because they denied so many manifestations of god after moses. Why you love the blind people so much?
Your response was very helpful to me to understand what an Iranian Baha'i thinks of Israeli - palestinian issue. Thanks a lot !
What gives the right to Jews to establish a Jewish State? Is it their population? Please enlighten me.
Is it justice and do you agree that if in anytime somebody killed somebody, then you have the right to kill some other people when you have the power?
You know how many Shi'ites are killed in Iraq, Afghanestan, Pakistan and Lebanon by the so called Sonnis or Zionists? So does this serves an excuse for the Shi'ites to commit the same to sonnis in some other countries? Is this right?
If Zionist christians or American government persecutes and occupies other muslim countries then is it OK for the muslims to terrorize American people?
How many Jews are killed in Egypt / Iran / Iraq for practicing their faith? please give proof.
Do you believe as a Baha'i that the Jewish book (Torah) is still in its original form?
And How is it possible that a Mosque is build in the Jewish occupied lands without their prior permission and the authorities does not stop its construction. And when the prayer services started they destroyed it? Saying it illegal. How come? Please enlighten
Regards
To all the detractors and ill-wishers of the Faith of Baha'u'llah, I'm reminded of the phrase
ReplyDeletefrom the Qur'an---"affrighted asses fleeing from a lion". If Nimrod, Pharoah, the Saducees, and the pagans/idolators had access to an Internet during their days, they too would denigrate the Causes of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad.
The tree of Religion has always been nourished by the waters of adversity; so please, oh
malcontents, continue to spew out your bile---you do the Baha'i Faith a great service!!
---Aaron of New Hampshire
By the way, there's another site(among many) that relishes dishing out diatribes against the Faith based on "research" and "facts" for the benefit of our Muslim friends. But, alas, they refuse publishing comments by a Baha'i, or anyone who isn't on the bandwagon "Bash the Baha'is".
ReplyDeleteNone of the Prophets of old spoke ill of any other Messenger and his followers. Nor does Baha'u'llah.
Bruised egos and fear are very often causes of accusative remarks. (The family of Umayyah during time of the Messenger, Muhammad, serves as a great example).
---Aaron
My dear friend Sky !
ReplyDeleteWhy have you adopted another name Aaron (jewish)! Why must have selected the name of that Criminal Jewish Leader 'Sharon' who massacred so many innocent muslims of Sabra and Shatila? Do you like this kind of people who kill innocent muslims? Please reply yes or no ?
Why you did not gave me the answer of my previous question to you regarding the Zionist State and its crimes?
I am publishing all your comments and not removing any!!! Do you see all your comments here?
If I given a chance to speak about Baha'u'llah and his family, I will give the name Pharoh and Nimrud to Baha'u'llah and Maviyah to Abdul Baha and Yazid to Shoghi Effendi.
I am waiting to witness that golden era when the Palestinians will kick you and your shrines out of their lands. Just Wait and See!
Dear Water,
ReplyDeleteApparently, in your eagerness to fire back a response out of anger, you completely missed the
point of my mentioning Pharoah, Nimrod, and others. Everytime a Messenger of God appears there are those of the current order in authority who rise up against Him. The surah of Hud details this quite well. So it is out of your misunderstanding that you would shamelessly associate Muawiyyah, Yazid and others, who by the way were avowed Muslims, with Baha'u'llah, Abdu'l Baha, and Shoghi Effendi. The family of Umayyah rose up against Muhammad, Ali, Husayn, and the rest of the Imams not by using internet sniping, but by committing murder and slander. Do you wish to be cast in the same category as the slanderers?I don't believe so. You are a good man, just very angry.
Speaking of anger, I could detail the oppression of countless groups of peoples around the world, including the KKK who terrorized Black people in the South. But I won't rant about just that--I must move forward.
Besides, to show concern only for people I share a special bond with would be selfish and dismissive of the pain of others. So I invite you to move forward.
My parents chose for me the name Aaron, because he was the brother of Moses, NOT because it rhymes with Sharon.
--Aaron
My dear Iranian Baha'i Friend Aaron, who was earlier 'sky'.
ReplyDeleteMy Friend, I posted you the questions regarding the Zionist Regime of Israel, your answer is still awaited. Please do answer.
Now my answers to you :
"Everytime a Messenger of God appears there are those of the current order in authority who rise up against Him"
I will say the same is being done by your cult to the Orthodox Baha'is and to all the other minority sects who are growing day by day.
More and more people are leaving your Haifan cult and moving to other sub-cults and are being punished by your AO, the same way muslims are treating you, you are treating others.
Tell me what is all filled in Ruhi book 8, it is all slander and claims against those sects and the Azalis and unitarian Bahais. Aren't you involved in brain washing the members of your cult, the same way Yazid and Maviya did brain washing of their followers.
What is your reply to the Mahdis that appeared after your hocus pocus Mahdi Mr. Bahaullah?
Some of them have much more followers then what your cult has. Search for the Qadiani Ahmadiyya movement and learn more. How do you see the Imam Mahdi of this cult?
For your information, even they have a Centre on Mount Carmel in Israel.
More Mahdis will appear in the coming eras and all of them will have similar arguments like your Mahdi had.
Remember that these Mahdis have all received incentives and supports from the imperialist regimes of that time. Just like Mr. Abdul Baha who received the title of Sir for his "Invaluable Services rendered to the British Government"
Where is the Certificate given to Mr. A. Baha by the then Imperialist British Gov.? I want to see it. If you are working for the BIA then your office is located very next to the International Archives Building. Whenever you visit there, Please take a snap of that certificate, if its for display, then send it to me.
And I am not angry, I am a peace lover and I thank god that I am not a hypocrite.
Bye, please do answer my question regarding Israel.
Its beggars belief that some morons who don't know nothing about Judaism or History feel compelled to write these rubbish largely based upon doggy sources and hearsay and unreferenced/unreliable material which has no value at all.
ReplyDeleteI say to you get your facts right before passing of conjectures as facts.
My dear friend Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteIf this is a belief of a Moron, then definitely the Haifan UHJ is the House of Morons. This is their actual belief. It is an undisputed fact that even the Zionist will follow and obey the Haifan UHJ. Just think over, the peace can only be established when the Zionist are controlled and their crimes stopped. Abdul Baha says that the "Jews are spiritually blind people" they denied Baha'u'llah and so many other manifestations. And Shoghi Effendi says that the Most great peace will be established only when the whole world follows the laws of Baha'u'llah. Even these criminal Zionist will follow the laws of Baha'u'llah and eventually peace will be established. What's wrong here?
I can prove all what I said!
Hello Water
ReplyDeletePlease forgive me for not responding to you in a timely manner. I havent had the time and just now returned. However, I have giving what you been saying, some thought. I don't want to take part in Middle East politics, as my understanding of the subject is limited. My only purpose is to correct some of the misunderstanding about the Baha'i Teachings. I'm not here to criticize any peoples or Religions.
The word "cult" is a demeaning reference; a man 0f Letters will usually choose the name of another's Faith by the name they use for themselves. Example: Not Baha'i cult, but The Baha'i Faith.
My first few blogs on this site I used "Anonymous" after that I used my name "sky", I have not used any other name.
Best regards, sky
Dear Sky,
ReplyDeleteOk! I believe you.
You say this is a political matter, but I beg to differ sir!
If I say the killing and persecution of Baha'is is a political matter ! What is your reply?
And if those 'Medical Professors' and intellectuals who are signing those petitions say : 'We don't want to take part in Middle East politics'
And you must know that Shoghi Effendi strictly not allowed the Baha'is to make Petitions and ask others to sign them.
The Palestinian issue is purely a Human Rights matter. Want me to prove you this?
And your so called faith ISSS a 'cult'
It has been proved on this blog here
http://bahaism.blogspot.com/2011/09/how-bahai-faith-is-cult.html
And I am sure that it was you with those different names. I have confirmed evidence for that I have your IP address.
And I can also say that you may be selected by the BIA or you May be on their payroll. Because I remember 2 years back when I received an email from one of my friend that said that BIA is in search of Baha'i members in every country and that it is recruiting them and will train them to tackle the CBs on the Internet.
Anyways...
I pray for you
May "The Great God" guide you to the His path and may He give you wisdom like He gave to so many others who left this evil cult.
But perhaps it will be difficult for you as you are a Persian and the Persian Baha'is are really very dumb because of the hate that is filled in their heart about Islam.
Best regards
Water
All: the Bab, Bahaullah, Subh-i-Azal, Abdul-Baha, Qurratul-Ayn and Ghusn-i-Akbar all helped Manifest the Will of God for this day. Respect them all. They all were fallible. Let all their Writings in their original form be published. They are the leaves of the Tree of Life. Why should any leaf be hidden ? They are for bringing unity to humankind. God does not want Anti-Christs, Excommunications and Shunning. Humanity is diverse and we should respect that diversity. This is God's Manifestation and Tree of Life which we should see continues to grow. We too must prune with independent investigation of truth and our individual conscience those teachings which are due to the fallibility of all those mentioned above. Yet we should love and respect them all and overlook their differences that they had during their lives. This country The World needs all of our help as we gather in the Houses of Justice that Bahaullah sanctioned.
ReplyDeleteWater, I no not where you get such ideals about the Baha'i Faith, and me? I'm on no payroll, or selected by the BIA, what ever that is? I'm not Persian and never been their. I'm Scotch on my fathers side, and Irish on my mothers side, I was born and raised in Texas USA. I think your crystal ball is not working right.
ReplyDeleteBest regards, sky
Dear Sky,
ReplyDeleteWhich Ideas you are talking about? Please let me know, I will prove you. About your good self I am confirmed that you are an Iranian. And you are using the Baha'i Hekmat here. Learn what the Baha'i Hekmat is. Read Susan Maneck's articles about Hekmat.
Best regards
May Almighty God guide you.
water
By Susan's article I guess you think I'm dissimulating my faith or my personal being. The last blog of mine is who I am, but otherwise, if it lights your pilot light, go right ahead.
ReplyDeletesky
is the bahai faith an arm of Zionism? Is the UHJ the NWO? Sounds like it to me. Especially all the timed released of texts that have not been released yet? Why not? Who gives anyone the right to hide information? It's just power using it for control. Very fishy, even though the teachings of the faith may be nice and peaceful, I have noticed this is how Zionism works, it takes truths, mixes it up with lies, basicly hijacks events and faiths for its own greedy evil purpose. Who can argue with peace and acceptance? PS world war two was created by Zionists, read "the illuminati, the cult that hijacked the world" by Harold makow. You, don't need to be Christian, bahai, or any other faith to be a good person. They don't own the patent on kindness.
ReplyDeleteThe State of Israel was only established in Palestine after leaders of the Palestinian Moslems & leaders of the Jews were asked the same question with regard to the Baha'i community already long established there. They were both asked what their policy toward the Baha'i's would be. The Palestinian Moslems said they considered the Baha'i's to be infidels, heretics etc. and that they would have to leave or suffer under Islamic laws concerning infidels and that all of their settlements, homes property and religious buildings and shrines would be forfeit. The Jews said that the Baha'i's would be welcomed as any other people would be and protected by the government of Israel as any other people within their borders with a single stipulation; that they agree to not proselytize within the State of Israel. Shoghi Effendi was told these answers and agreed to the terms put forth by the Jewish leaders. The Jewish Homeland was established in the region surrounding ancient Jerusalem and the Jewish military was raised up to protect it's borders and the Baha'i places on Mt. Carmel. In 1957 the Baha'i Faith was hijacked by a coup de tat from within the ranks of those closest to the center of the faith. Once their derailment of the Baha'i Administration was complete they were able to persuade corrupt elements within the Israeli government to accept them as the leadership of the Baha'i Faith and this corrupted and divided the people of Israel and it has been so that since that time that neither The Baha'i Faith nor Israel have been present within the borders of the "State of Israel" as it is commonly called or anywhere in the Mideast. The High Priest, the Davidic Throne and King aka Baha'i Guardian, the Temple, the Holy Of Holies, The Ark Of The Covenant, the New Jerusalem, the Baha'i World Center, the Baha'i Administration, the Universal House of Justice (UHJ.net) have all been placed inside the United States of America by God.
ReplyDeleteBahn'i is a cult from Islam to convert you.
ReplyDeleteI can see why those statements -- "Israel will be a Baha'i State" -- would arouse suspicion and anger.
ReplyDeleteTo be clear, Baha'i "conversion" is non-coercive -- the Baha'is are prohibited from forcing beliefs on anyone. Baha'u'llah says explicitly,
"If ye be aware of a certain truth, ... share it ... in a language of utmost kindliness and good-will. If it be accepted, if it fulfil its purpose, your object is attained. If any one should refuse it, leave him unto himself, and beseech God to guide him. Beware lest ye deal unkindly with him." Full quote here: http://bahai-library.com/compilation_guidelines_teaching.
I am a Baha'i, and I served as a volunteer in Haifa in 1990-91. I heard the things this post talks about. It's important to know the spirit in which they were said; the speakers believed that Baha'i principles and practices would help any country. For example, the recognition of the oneness of the human race is visibly needed everywhere, no less in Palestine / Israel. They spoke of those possible future events out of idealism, with no possibility of violence or force.