Interesting correspondence with Muslim convert about Bahaism

I hope you don't mind me telling you a little bit about myself, and asking some questions.

I have read some of your articles about mysticism, and comments about the Baha'i Faith and some of it is hard to deny. Here is a little background about myself. I converted to Islam when I was nineteen years old, and within a year I discovered the Baha'i Faith. I didn't do much research at first because I was still getting used to practicing Islam and grasping the idea of being part of a worldwide Muslim community. I didn't care for all of the rules and regulations that the 'ulama declared were the only true means of practicing the faith. It seemed like they made Islam excessively hard to practice for most people. When I finally began to research the Baha'i Faith, my attraction was really towards the Bab', Ali-Muhammad Shirazi. I read Mirza Husayn Ali's "Book of Certitude" in one night, and the parts that kept me reading even though my mind was tired, were the prophecies about the Bab' as the Mahdi. I was not interested in prophecies at that time, because I didn't come from a particular background that required them. The same was true for Islam. I didn't "need" to know that Muhammad was prophesized in the Bible, as I was an agnostic. Even so, when I read the Shi'a hadith that was quoted in the book, I fell in love with this man called "The Bab'." Even when I started to hang out with the Baha'is, I would jokingly refer to myself as a "Muslim Babi" because of how attracted I was to him.

But jokes aside, I didn't see a contradiction with that phrase because I viewed the Bab' as a man who created a community that was "outside" of Islam but still "inside" at the same time, like a paradox. After a month of spending time with Baha'is, I saw my first red flag. I was talking to one of my Baha'i friends and mentioned that I wanted to learn Farsi or French so I could read the Persian Bayan in full. For some reason, still unknown to me to this day, she became instantly suspicious and implied that my "intentions" to read it were impure somehow. "Wait a minute", I thought. Why would she give me a guilt trip because I wanted to read a part of her own faith's scripture? If I were talking to a Muslim and stated that I wanted to learn Arabic so I could read the Qur'an in its original language, they would be ecstatic and probably even help me learn the language if they knew it. I took the matter to some other Baha'is because I thought maybe she just had her own issues or something, but they also became silent when I said it was because I wanted to read the Persian Bayan.

One of them kindly suggested that it would be easier for me to just read the writings of Baha'u'llah because he is the "most recent" Manifestation of God, they are more easily available, and they are translated into English so I don't need to learn a foreign language. I understood the logic, but I didn't understand why they were all trying to dissuade me from reading a piece of their own scripture. I got the impression that they had something to hide. That wasn't my initial perception at all, but when they kept trying to steer me in a certain direction and even question my "intentions" (whatever that means), what else was I to think? The only reason why I wanted to read the Persian Bayan was because of my attraction to the Bab, not despite of it. I eventually caved to their wishes and read the writings of Mirza Husayn 'Ali instead, which were inspiring to a certain degree. But I would get this intuitional feeling that somehow the Baha'i Faith wasn't telling the whole story about its origins, like it was hiding something.

Every time I would feel that way, I would crush it and punish myself for thinking such "unholy" thoughts. I also started to wonder if the Baha'i Faith actually despised Islam at its inner core. While I could never categorically prove this, I came across many passages and writings that seemed to speak ill of Islam through cleverly constructed phrases that appear to exalt the faith of Muhammad at face value, but in actuality are tearing it apart. I would notice that out of all of the interpretations given to particular Quranic verses and hadiths that exist in the tradition of Islamic scholarship, the Baha'i Faith would almost always pick the "bad" one that would make Islam appear "backward" to the "enlightened" west, and would then say "this is why Baha'u'llah came, to reform religion...etc." Perhaps that is too conspiratorial, but it was a very strong feeling I had that would inevitably creep up no matter how much I censored my thoughts. One of my most vivid memories of this kind of thing, was a "conversation" I had with a sweet elderly Persian woman. She initiated it by stating that according to a Zoroastrian scholar on satalite t.v., Muhammad (pbuh) commanded his followers to bury their new born children alive during the early years of his prophethood; but he later abrogated that law by commanding them to only bury their female new born children alive and sparing the males. I told her that that was really confusing since the Qur'an specifically mentions the practice of burying female new borns and condemns it. She just brushed that off and kept saying more things that would make Islam look bad, and ended our conversation with a hug and an "apology" for "offending" me, and stating a final after thought, "the Qur'an tells men to beat their wives...you know this?"

This leads into my questions. What is it that I could have done to make these Baha'is treat me this way? I was nothing but respectful towards them and their faith. I never said a bad word about their religion. And yet it seems like just because of the sheer fact that I was a Muslim, that somehow meant that I was less than them. Even after I became a Baha'i, while still retaining my love and appreciation for Islam and the Prophet Muhammad, some of the Baha'is would still pick at me for my association with Islam. The elderly Persian woman would sometimes ask me if I was "still a Baha'i", which is a meaningless question because the LSA would know if I had resigned from the Baha'i Faith (which I did a number of years later.) In the research you have done, is there any evidence that the Baha'i Faith has an agenda to make Islam look barbaric and evil, while appearing to praise the Prophet Muhammad and the Qur'an? In connection with that question, does the Baha'i Faith have an agenda to make the Babi Faith and Islam appear to be enemies of each other? Did Tahirih really claim that Muhammad's teachings were "nonsense"? Is there a full translation of the Persian and Arabic Bayans in English? Or for that matter, are full copies of the originals still in existence for anyone to read?

Thanks for getting back to me, I really appreciate it...About Western imperialism and the Baha'i Faith, I am also starting to think there is a connection. I still have a few Baha'i friends, and almost on a daily basis I hear about the "oppression of Baha'is in Iran", which saddens me. But what makes me question things is this: Out of all of the oppressed peoples of the world, from South America to Chechnya, from Iran to the First Nation peoples of North America, why is is that so much attention is given to seven people in Iran? I am not saying that persecution requires a high number of people for it to be persecution, but they act as if Baha'is are the only people being persecuted in that country. In the past twenty years, about two-hundred Baha'is have been executed by the State. That is a serious human rights crime, but does it really warrant a war, sanctions, and massive death for the entire Iranian population, while other countries that are allies of the United States kill groups of people in the thousands? And when non- Baha'is question Baha'is why they don't speak out against the oppression of other groups of people, they basically say that it's not their job. Which would be a "fair", albeit selfish answer if it were not for the sheer fact that the Baha'i institutions call on non- Baha'is to speak out on behalf of Baha'is. But when the tables are turned, the Baha'i institutions don't want to hear it.

This might sound really off-the-mark, but do you think it is possible that the "higher-ups" of the Baha'i Faith are practicing some form of "black" magick in an attempt to influence world affairs towards their goals? Also, are you aware of any Baha'i-Freemason connections? I came across some interesting things a Baha'i wrote on a Baha'i forum, but haven't done enough researching yet to know if it is true. Basically, he said that the name "Baha'u'llah" is a "special name" at the Baltimore Masonic Temple, like a "code word." They have a hallway of nine doors, with the ninth door being the highest as the hall moves upwards. He also said that Gleanings from the writings of Baha'u'llah is in their top ten books of scripture to read from. He said that Baha'is are not permitted to join Secret Societies, but he knows at least two Baha'is in "good standing" who are 33rd degree Masons.


Thanks to Mr. Wahid Azal for putting this on TRB

Из Узбекистана выдворен сектант - подданный Великобритании

Ташкент. 5 февраля. ИНТЕРФАКС - Подданный Великобритании, незаконно проповедавший идеи бахаизма, выдворен из Узбекистана, сообщил в пятницу "Интерфаксу" источник в правоохранительных органах республики.

"Он находился в республике с 1990 года с целью пропаганды религии Бахаи и увеличения сторонников секты. Официально он преподавал в одном из учебных центров английский язык", - сообщил собеседник агентства.

Подданный Великобритании, иранского происхождения, Тохирий Сепехер осуществлял свою миссионерскую деятельность совместно с гражданином Казахстана. Им удалось открыть девять филиалов в шести городах республики.

Деятельность Т.Сепехера признана противоречащей законодательству Узбекистана, и он был привлечен в соответствии с Кодексом об административной ответственности, а затем депортирован.

Сторонники бахаизма представляют секту исламского происхождения, которая претендует на статус мировой религии.

http://www.interfax-religion.ru/?act=news&div=34073

Cultist - British national deported from Uzbekistan

Cultist - British national deported from Uzbekistan

National of Great Britain, who illegally preached Bahaism ideas, is deported from Uzbekistan, a source in the Republic's law enforcement agencies told Interfax.

"He has stayed in the Republic since 1990 to promote Bahai religion and increase the number of the sect adherents. Officially, he was a teacher of English in an educational center," the interviewee of the agency said.

British national of Irish origin, Tohiriy Sepeher carried out his missionary work together with a citizen of Kazakhstan. They managed to open ten branches in six cities of the Republic.

Bahaism (Baha'i faith) is a sect of Islamic origin that pretends to a status of world religion.

http://en.trend.az/regions/casia/uzbekistan/1634687.html

5th Feb 2010

The funeral of Mirza Yahya Subh-i-Azal (Baha'u'llah's Brother) in Cyprus


Click in the image to enlarge.


Back in August 1868 the government of the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire sentenced Baha'u'llah and His half -brother Subh-i-Azal to exile.. sending Subh-i-Azal to Farmagusta, Cyprus and sending Baha'u'llah to the prison fortress of Akka.. in order to keep an eye on both a strategy was devised to send some of the adherents of each to supposedly spy and report on the prisoners.

So four followers of Baha'u'llah were exiled to Cyprus and four Azalis were sent to Akka..

Among the four sent to Cyprus was the well known calligrapher Mishkin Qalam ".. The Baha'is on Cyprus were not happy with the situation and as soon as they could they returned to the Holy Land to gain the presence of Baha'u'llah.

The Azalis sent to Akka according to the Baha'is kept track of who went to see Baha'u'llah and tried to foment trouble and this led some "misguided Baha'is" "without the authorization of Baha'u'llah to murder the Azalis"..

23 Jan 1872 Murder of Siyyid Muhammad (the one who had constantly manipulated Mirza Yahya into his cowardly acts), Aqa Jan Big and another companion Covenant-breaker in 'Akka in retaliation for their persecutions. Bahá'u'lláh had forbidden any act of retaliation, but seven of His tormented companions succumbed. An army of men descended upon the Bahá'ís. The seven guilty men were confined for several years. The remainder were confined for six months. The distress caused to Bahá'u'lláh of this event was immeasurable: "That which can make Me ashamed is the conduct of such of My FOLLOWERS as profess to love Me".

(Same kind of story is narrated by the Baha'is regarding the execution attempt on the Shah of Iran on 28th August 1852 by some Babis / Baha'is)

As to Subh-i-Azal he was left alone by the Baha'is sent with his family and was later isolated by his own followers to a great degree..He passed on in 1912 on the island of Cyprus.

A High Resolution Image of Subh i Azal

Mirza Yahya Subh i Azal (The real successor of Bab) and his three sons.

Division among the followers of Bab and Baha'u'llah

Here is a brief presentation on the history of divisions in the Bahá'í Faith - right from its inception, the Báb, 'Subh-i-Azal, Bahá'u'lláh, Abbas Effendi, Shoghi Effendi and finally till the present day Universal House of Justice.

Freemasons & Bahaism

..... I will be stepping on a few people's toes here. Your Christians are really unaware of where their concept of the millenium came from. They think that it comes from the bible, but if they go back historically they will see that William Miller, who started the Adventist movement and started talking about millenium, was a high ranking Freemason. He predicted that Christ would return in 1844. The question is, did Christ return in 1844? Most people, because we have a limited perspective on things, would say no, he didn't.

But there was a man called Nabob (Bab) who appeared in Persia, and he said I am Christ, and he started the Baha'i religion. He fulfilled William Miller's prophecy. The Freemasons were the ones who introduced the Bahai religion to America, and they did it through the Chicago Masonic Temple around the turn of the century. The Bahai religion is committed to a one world government, a new world order, and a one world religion. There was this Masonic Oriental Order of the Magi and they were the hardcore group within the Chicago Masonic Temple who started the Bahai religion in this country.

Sourced from :
http://threedeadwords.blogspot.com/2010/01/jan-2310-illuminati-formula-used-to.html

Shundamentalism

One of the distinguishing doctrines of the Bahá'í Faith is its characterization of rebellion against religious authority, what it calls covenant breaking, as the most pernicious, contageous form of evil. Other religions have their outcasts and their devils, but there's nothing out there quite like a covenant breaker.

Apostasy is the great spiritual crime of Islám. It was once considered a capital crime, and still is in some circles. The Bahá'í Faith uses its own definition for the term apostasy. The Bahá'í usage of the word implies that apostasy is equivalent to covenant breaking. It is not a capital crime, but is considered a highly contageous spiritual disease, and is therefore subject to severe shunning.

The doctrine of covenant breaking and the accompanying practice of shunning is traceable to Bahá'u'lláh and `Abdu'l-Bahá, but it was formalized by Shoghi Effendi:

Apostates, rebels, betrayers, heretics, had exerted their utmost endeavors, privily or openly, to sap the loyalty of the followers of that Faith, to split their ranks or assault their institutions.

God Passes By, page 408.

When a person declares his acceptance of Baha'u'llah as a Manifestation of God he becomes a party to the Covenant and accepts the totality of His Revelation. If he then turns around and attacks Baha'u'llah or the Central Institution of the Faith he violates the Covenant. If this happens every effort is made to help that person to see the illogicality and error of his actions, but if he persists he must, in accordance with the instructions of Baha'u'llah Himself, be shunned as a Covenant-breaker.

From a letter dated March 30, 1957 on behalf of Shoghi Effendi, "Messages to Canada," p. 64

Bahá'u'lláh and the Master in many places and very emphatically have told us to shun entirely all Covenant-breakers as they are afflicted with what we might try and define as a contagious spiritual disease ...

From a letter dated 30 November 1944 written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer

Shunning is typically done on an individual level, but Bahá'í authorities have also been seen exhibiting this practice. In a recent dispute between the United States National Spiritual Assembly (NSA) and the Second International Bahá'í Council, the WIPO panel that oversaw the dispute voiced some disapproval over the unwillingness of the conplainant (the NSA) to communicate with the other party:

Complainant did not send a copy of its request directly to Respondent, apparently believing Respondent had a “religious objection” to communicating with it. While the Panel appreciates Complainant’s sensitivity, it did not interpret the statement that Respondent had, consistent with Respondent’s religious beliefs, ignored Complainant’s cease and desist letter, to be an objection to receiving communications. Moreover, the Panel reminds Complainant of Rule 2(h): “Any communication by . . . a Party shall be copied to the other Party, the Panel and the Provider, as the case may be” (emphasis added).

The Century of Peace !!!

"One of the great events," affirms `Abdu'l-Bahá, "which is to occur in the Day of the manifestation of that incomparable Branch is the hoisting of the Standard of God among all nations. By this is meant that all nations and kindreds will be gathered together under the shadow of this Divine Banner, which is no other than the Lordly Branch itself, and will become a single nation. Religious and sectarian antagonism, the hostility of races and peoples, and differences among nations, will be eliminated. All men will adhere to one religion, will have one common faith, will be blended into one race and become a single people. All will dwell in one common fatherland, which is the planet itself." "Now, in the world of being," He has moreover explained, "the Hand of Divine power hath firmly laid the foundations of this all-highest bounty, and this wondrous gift. Whatsoever is latent in the innermost of this holy Cycle shall gradually appear and be made manifest, for now is but the beginning of its growth, and the dayspring of the revelation of its signs. Ere the close of this century and of this age, it shall be made clear and evident how wondrous was that spring-tide, and how heavenly was that gift."

The Unfoldment of World Civilization

Baha'i World Government

"... A single, organically-united, unshattered World Common wealth."
- Shoghi Effendi, Messages to America, p. 81

“... a stage which, in the fullness of time, will culminate in the establishment of the World Baha’i Commonwealth, functioning in the plenitude of its powers”
- Shoghi Effendi, Baha’i World. Vol. XIII, p. 138

"... the precautionary and defensive measures to be devised, coordinated, and carried out to counteract the full force of the inescapable attacks which the organized efforts of ecclesiastical organizations of various denominations will progressively launch and relentlessly pursue; and, last but not least, the multitudinous issues that must be faced, the obstacles that must be overcome, and the responsibilities that must be assumed, to enable a sore-tried Faith to pass through the successive stages of unmitigated obscurity, of active repression, and of complete emancipation, leading in turn to its being acknowledged as an independent Faith, enjoying the status of full equality with its sister religions, to be followed by its establishment and recognition as a State religion, which in turn must give way to its assumption of the rights and prerogatives associated with the Baha'i state, functioning in the plenitude of its powers, a stage which must ultimately culminate in the emergence of the world-wide Baha'i' Commonwealth, animated wholly by the spirit, and operating solely in direct conformity with the laws and principles of Baha’u’llah."
- Shoghi Effendi, The Advent of Divine Justice, p. 12

"It is the structure of His New World Order, now stirring in the womb of the administrative institutions He Himself has created, that will serve both as a pattern and a nucleus of the World Commonwealth which is the sure, the inevitable destiny of the peoples and nations of the earth."
- Shoghi Effendi, The Promised Day is Come, p. 122

"It is the superstructure of that self-same order, attaining its full stature through the emergence of the Baha'i World Commonwealth — the Kingdom of God on earth —which the Golden Age of the (Baha'i) Dispensation must, in the fullness of time, ultimately witness."
- Shoghi Effendi, God Passes By, p. 26

"As the authority with which Baha’u’llah has invested the future Baha'i Commonwealth becomes more and more apparent, the fiercer shall be the challenge which from every quarter will be thrown at the verities it enshrines."
- Shoghi Effendi, World Order of Bahaullah, p. 18

"And as the Baha'i Faith permeates the masses of the peoples of East and West, and its truth is embraced by the majority of the peoples of a number of the Sovereign States of the world, will the Universal House of Justice attain the plenitude of its power, and exercise, as the supreme organ of the Baha'i Commonwealth, all the rights, the duties, and responsibilities incumbent upon the worlds future super state."
- Shoghi Effendi, World Order of Baha'u'llah, p. 7

"Haifa, Israel - 'permanent world Administrative Centre of the future Baha'i Commonwealth, destined never to be separated from, and to function in proximity of the Spiritual Centre of (the) Faith'... "
- Shoghi Effendi, God Passes By, p. 348

"... To us, the 'generation of the half-light', living at a time which maybe designated as the period of the incubation of the World Commonwealth envisaged by Baha’u’llah, has been assigned a task whose high privilege we can never sufficiently appreciate, and the arduousness of which we can as yet but dimly recognize."
- Shoghi Effendi, World Order of Baha’u’llah, p 168

"... the Faith of Baha’u’llah is now visibly succeeding in demonstrating its claim and title to be regarded as a World Religion destined to attain, in the fullness of time, the status of a world-embracing Commonwealth, which would be at once the instrument and the guardian of the Most Great Peace, announced by its Author."
- Shoghi Effendi, World Order of Bahaullah, p. 196

"The Declaration of Trust and By-Laws of the National Spiritual Assembly of the United States, stands in its final form as a worthy and faithful exposition of the constitutional basis of the Baha’i communities in every land, foreshadowing the final emergence of the World Baha’i Commonwealth of the future."
- Shoghi Effendi, Bahai Administration, p. 135

"This final and crowning stage (Commonwealth) in the evolution of the Plan wrought by God Himself for humanity will, in turn, prove to be the signal for the birth of a world civilization, incomparable in its range, its character and potency, in the history of mankind ... "
- Shoghi Effendi, Baha’i World, Vol. XI, p. 138

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