tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-65107616134061110022024-03-15T03:24:05.314-07:00Baha'i Faith - Its origin and its roleThis blog can help the readers to uncover the realities and facts about this Cult.Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.comBlogger1015125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-72262536536717440632024-03-12T11:30:00.000-07:002024-03-15T03:23:33.377-07:00Plurality of wives: Islam vs Baha'i Faith<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiGbsBraXDmVOeTCGFoUZy-nRc1wvUIt3TvVKjnC1yh4hjKle2PZimuEkb0HfYSdxbDETykFJlHJoQa25_ZEvc3T7Bn-UdVy_oNjEQXZQ037j8VNHMu_3hMQupua1TYMXWFCxZJ42ou1ChF4mIwYR95bC6G6m9mdZ995SxrrzvuHBZCdHJC6X2Xu8SQ/s998/bahaullah%20polygamy.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="667" data-original-width="998" height="428" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiGbsBraXDmVOeTCGFoUZy-nRc1wvUIt3TvVKjnC1yh4hjKle2PZimuEkb0HfYSdxbDETykFJlHJoQa25_ZEvc3T7Bn-UdVy_oNjEQXZQ037j8VNHMu_3hMQupua1TYMXWFCxZJ42ou1ChF4mIwYR95bC6G6m9mdZ995SxrrzvuHBZCdHJC6X2Xu8SQ/w640-h428/bahaullah%20polygamy.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div>I used to think that Baha'u'llah's ideas were revolutionary in the context of religious dispensations. But over the years, some ideas I thought were novel were almost word for word found in Persian poetry from famous "Sufi" poets.</div><br />I also used to think that it was novel that Baha'u'llah says in the Kitab-i Aqdas that no more than 2 wives are permitted in conjunction with Abdul-Baha's interpretation that only 2 wives are permissible provided justice and equity are observed, but since that is impossible, you can only have one wife.<br /><a href="https://bahai-library.com/provisionals/aqdas/aqdas147.notes.html">https://bahai-library.com/provisionals/aqdas/aqdas147.notes.html</a><br /><br />Any of you who have kids will also understand that it's impossible to be equitable to your children, especially if you have more than one. The 2nd and 3rd children are invariably always treated differently, and this is just natural part of being human. So why should people be allowed to have more than one child if you can't treat them the same?<br /><br />I recently watched this YouTube video about some Bedouins in Israel and one of the leaders was asked specifically about Polygamy, and his response was surprising and demonstrated that this Baha'i idea is not novel at all.<br /><a href="https://youtu.be/_g3f1xVhPX4?si=PKJB0P2M3YObHFwW&t=907">https://youtu.be/_g3f1xVhPX4?si=PKJB0P2M3YObHFwW&t=907</a><br /><br />In the video the Bedouin leader basically says that plurality of wives has to meet certain conditions, and you can't just take a new wife because you see a beautiful lady on the street. He says you have to be able to treat them equitably, especially by material means.<br /><br />While I can see there could be some rebuttals of this, on the difference between equality and equity, material equity and feelings of love and affection for one wife or the other, etc. But the problem is that growing up in a Baha'i family you grow up being told that Muslims can take multiple wives willy nilly. But it's not true and there is more nuance to it. There is definitely some baggage Baha'i's have against Islam in this regard.<br /><br />Not to mention that Baha'u'llah doesn't even appear to be adamantly against more wives than two, it sounds like it's just a warning, not a divine decree in the same way that he abrogated Jihad.<br /><br /><div>https://old.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/1bbx0xv/plurality_of_wives_islam_vs_bahai_faith/</div>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-71080657100094674592024-03-08T01:53:00.000-08:002024-03-08T01:53:08.061-08:00Open Letter to the Baha'is regarding the truth about their religion<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgvw_RUN3cdq4iMDDl5x5Ti69NScVZ5T5bw2ZP58TGzehiwEbNBklyOaiRQWNZzrOgkj2GiQHauuPo81LnDEjR3kfEVXkeer_RDp22__TiVvq2Ha2oQpNv-z0ommMHDbmt48jAdftq8_Uff1W0bxjxjaAQONk-gcvWpKwjghu7mpcHWqbC__Yj5uUNm/s1280/photo_2024-01-15_21-38-26.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="696" data-original-width="1280" height="348" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgvw_RUN3cdq4iMDDl5x5Ti69NScVZ5T5bw2ZP58TGzehiwEbNBklyOaiRQWNZzrOgkj2GiQHauuPo81LnDEjR3kfEVXkeer_RDp22__TiVvq2Ha2oQpNv-z0ommMHDbmt48jAdftq8_Uff1W0bxjxjaAQONk-gcvWpKwjghu7mpcHWqbC__Yj5uUNm/w640-h348/photo_2024-01-15_21-38-26.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div>Dear Friends,</div><br />I used to be a Baha'i for several years, and I want to say I admire the Baha'is for being unselfish people who are concerned with solutions to world problems: hunger, racism, inequality, prejudice, extremes of poverty and wealth. I admire you for that. However, I must comment on what I believes are errors in the Faith: errors of doctrine and history, and practice.<br /><br /><h3 style="text-align: left;">Jesus never raised from the dead</h3><br />The Gospels clearly present a narrative of Jesus being arrested, scourged, crucified, placed in a tomb, the tomb founded to be empty, Jesus appearing after death to Mary, to Thomas, to all the living Apostles, to two disciples on the road to Emmaus, and elsewhere, then teaching the disciples for forty days, then going up on Mount Olivet, and ascending into a cloud: with two men in white telling the disciples: "This same Jesus will come again in the same way you have seen him go up into heaven." I realize the Baha'is interpret the Gospels to be literal/historical UP UNTIL the point he was crucified and placed into a tomb, then it is a "metaphorical parable" after that. But the Greek simply does not allow for that. The Gospels present Jesus' life, crucifixion, placing in the tomb, then appearing to the disciples as one unbroken historical narrative from beginning to end. The tomb was empty. As the Apostle Paul wrote: "If Christ be no raised then our faith is in vain."<br /><br /><h3 style="text-align: left;">Baha'u'llah the return of Jesus but reincarnation not true</h3><br />As a Baha'i I tried over and over again to grasp the concept that Baha'u'llah was the "return of Christ" yet reincarnation was false. I was told that Baha'u'llah was "the return of Christ in a mystical sense we are not permitted to fully understand". Well, we could say the same thing about Sun Myung Moon: that he was the "return of Christ" metaphorically. And that was also the claim of Ghulam Ahmad founder of the Ahmadiyyah Movement in Islam: that which reincarnation was not true he (Mirza) was somehow the "return" of Christ. Absurd. The Book of Acts says "This SAME JESUS will come again as you have seen him go up into heaven" (Acts 1:9). What Ghulam Ahmad taught about the Jesus being raised from the dead (i.e. he went into a coma on the Cross and was revived in the tomb by two Essenes) makes 1000% more sense than the Baha'i version that Jesus died, was buried, and never arose but that only His disciples "arose in confidence" after three days of doubt. Absurd.<br /><br /><h3 style="text-align: left;">Jesus came to improve the status of minorities and women</h3><br />That is what Baha'is have told me, but that is simply not the case. Jesus wrote no Book of Laws. He did not change the laws of the Torah. He made no change in Jewish custom. The Gospels and Epistles of Paul are very clear that Jesus came to offer a final sacrifice for sin: to atone for our sins. Period. End of story. He did __nothing__ to improve the status of minorities and women. Not a thing. He wrote no Book of Laws. His disciples wrote no book of laws. Jesus never said: "Let women be equal to men". Never. Not one word. Jesus came to offer His blood on the Cross as atonement for sin. Nothing else.<br /><br /><h3 style="text-align: left;">The Bab was clearly insane</h3><br />Why has only "Selections" from the Writings of The Bab been published? The answer seems very clear to me. The Bab's Arabic writings are childish and grammatically a mess. His knowledge of Arabic was that of a six year old child. His tongue was Farsi, not Arabic. If God was directing his pen one would think God would have descent grammar, but The Bab made so many basic mistakes in his Arabic it is embarrassing. Also, the Bab's laws include absurd things like burying people in crystal wrapped in five sheets of silk, and for Babi women to smear their breasts daily with Henna and write the names of God on their breats (there are 99 such names). Coffins of crystal, five sheets of silk, and writing God's 99 names in Henna (an expensive substance) would be impossible for all but the wealthiest Babis who, like The Bab, had black slaves wash his clothes, cook his meals, maintain his house. The Bab clearly lied and denied he was the Riser or the Gate to the Riser, to avoid sentences of death, while at the same time continuing to write letters to his disciples that he was either the Riser or the Gate to the Riser, and The Bab seems to have accepted Quddus as the Riser and himself only as the Gate to the Riser. The man was clearly off his rocker.<br /><br /><h3 style="text-align: left;">The Martyrdom of The Bab and the 10,000 witnesses</h3><br />As a new Baha'i I was told that at the martyrdom of The Bab there were "10,000 witnesses to the miracle of his death" (i.e. the regiment fired and the ropes were shot off and the Bab was found back in his cell finishing his last epistle, the regiment fired again and the Bab was killed). Only problem is, I've seen photographs of exactly what the Bab was killed and there is NO WAY you can get 10,000 people in that area between two army barracks which at most could hold a few hundred. There is no stadium there (as is depicted in some Baha'i artwork--pure fantasy). Also, there is no eye-witness account of The Bab's "miracle" at his death. Simply does not exist. All we have is second-hand, third hand, fourth hand, "rumors" passed along. There is not even one account from a person who was there. Not one.<br /><br /><h3 style="text-align: left;">All Manifestations of God write a book of laws</h3><br />Really? Where is the book Jesus wrote? Let me know because I'd love to read it. Jesus did not write the Gospels nor the Book of Acts nor the Epistles of Paul, Peter, James, Jude, and John. Jesus did not write any book of laws or anything else.<br /><br /><h3 style="text-align: left;">Science and religion must agree</h3><br />Nice saying, but the Baha'is don't believe that. 'Abdu'l-Baha clearly teaches in "Some Answered Questions" that Adam had no father or mother, but science says that is impossible. Yet, as Baha'is, we had to side with 'Abdu'l-Baha as trumping science whenever the two conflicted. 'Abdu'l-Baha also taught that humans have always been a distinct species: yet science says "no". Again, we are supposed to ignore science when it conflicts with 'Abdu'l-Baha. Baha'u'llah said that copper turns to gold after seventy years if left in its' natural element. No, it does not. Baha'u'llah also write that all planets have creatures, which Baha'is now interpret to include "rocks" (aren't rocks created things thus creatures?). The absurdity continues. While "Science and religion must agree" SOUNDS good and enlightened, the fact remains that Baha'u'llah and 'Abdu'l-Baha wrote thing and said things that science clearly contradicts, and we, as Baha'is, were supposed to always side with the Central Figures on those issues and against science.<br /><br /><h3 style="text-align: left;">The homosexuality of Shoghi Effendi</h3><br />Shoghi Effendi was clearly a gay man. There are too many witnesses who say this, including a few who said they caught Shoghi in the act of giving oral sex to another man. Badi'u'llah (bother of 'Abdu'l-Baha) called Shoghi a "degenerate". Baha'is will say that all of the witnesses are liars, and point to the fact that Shoghi wrote anti-gay things. Well, Sathya Sai Baba of India was also quite gay and had sex with some of his disciples but also said anti-gay things. There is no clear evidence that Shoghi had gay sex after he got married to Mary Maxwell, but they had separate rooms all during their marriage. There is a lot of evidence that says Shoghi had gay sex as a young man in his pre-Guardian days. But the House (UHJ) wants to "hide" that fact because they don't want a Baha'i leader seen as gay or a hypocrite. The House is hiding a TON of early Babi and Baha'i history.<br /><br />Many Baha'is want the Faith to be 100% pro-gay, but the Bible and Quran are very clear that homosexuality is a major sin, and "Malakoi" (gay men) will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.<br /><br /><h3 style="text-align: left;">The Murder of over 30 Azalies in Baghdad and Seven Azalis in Akka</h3><br />Subh-e-Azal was Yahya, the younger brother of Baha'u'llah. Yahya was clearly chosen by the Bab to be his successor. The Bab gave him the title of "Dawn of Eternal Past" (Subh-e-Azal). Baha'u'llah, Yahya, and several hundred Babis were exiled to Baghdad. White there two main factions were created: those who followed Baha'u'llah (Baha'is) and those who followed Subh-e-Azal (Azalis). One of the Azalis was the sister of Baha'u'llah and Yahya, who later wrote a book titled "Awakening the Sleepers" in which she says that Baha'u'llah ordered the murders of over 30 Azalis in Baghdad, with their throats being cut and thrown into the Tigris river. She wrote that the Tigris river "became red" with the blood of murdered Azalies: all murdered on orders of her brother Baha'u'llah.<br /><br />The Turks decided to separate the Baha'is from the Azalis (to prevent more murders) so they banished the Azalis to Cyprus and the Baha'is to Akka. For some reason, they sent a dozen Baha'is to Cyprus and a dozen to Akka. Why they did that I don't know. In any case, the long-time cook of Baha'u'llah took a bunch or kitchen knives and he and a group of other Baha'is in Akka went to the homes of seven Azalis in Akka, murdered them, and cut up the bodies, and tossed the body parts into a well or into the sea. This was discovered, and the cook and the other murderers were arrested. They spend about six months in the dungeon at Akka, but were then released! The cook returned to being the cook for Baha'u'llah and his family. Baha'u'llah did not excommunicate any of these men. He told the Turkish authorities: "They acted without my command". Sure they did.<br /><br /><h3 style="text-align: left;">The Murder and Dismemberment of Nabil.</h3><br />Muhammad Zirandi was a Babi and later a Baha'i who wrote "The Dawnbreakers" about the Babi movement. In The Dawnbreakers Nabil clearly writes that Quddus claimed to be the Riser (Mihdih) at the Shrine of Sheikh Tabarsi, in 1849. Clearly. Later, Nabil was exiled with the Babis to Baghdad. In Baghdad Nabil chose to follow the Baha'i faction of the Babis, and he was later sent to Erdine and finally to Akka. After the death of Baha'u'llah, Nabil sided with the Unitarians (younger brothers of 'Abdu'l-Baha) who claimed that 'Abdu'l-Baha was corrupting the Faith and changing holy laws and claiming to be a Manifestation of God. Nabil then claimed that the followers of 'Abdu'l-Baha were threatening his life in Akka, and he pleaded for help. So, Badi'u'llah (one of the brothers of 'Abdu'l-Baha) promised to give him a small shack on Mount Carmel to live in, and told Nabil to go back to Akka to get his personal belongings. Nabil did, and the next thing that Badi'u'llah heard was that the chopped up remains of Nabil had been found on the rocks next to Akka. Someone had murdered him and chopped up his body (the cook of Baha'u'llah was still alive at this time). A former prominent Baha'i claimed that 'Abdu'l-Baha had ordered the murder of Nabil, but Badi'u'llah said it was probably suicide after the followers of 'Abdu'l-Baha had beaten and tortured Nabil for days after trying to leave Akka and joining the Unitarians.<br /><br /><h3 style="text-align: left;">The violence of 'Abdu'l-Baha</h3><br />There are many books written by early Baha'is that are still unpublished: especially those who knew 'Abdu'l-Baha well. Most of them are very faithful books of people telling how much they loved him. However, they also note that 'Abdu'l-Baha had a temper and would often slap people, and in one case he threw a man down a set of stairs for not bringing him money owed, and that 'Abdu'l-Baha had slapped off the turben of Mirza Jan (secretary of Baha'u'llah and writer of his tablets) after Mirza Jan sided with the Unitarians.<br /><br /><h3 style="text-align: left;">The racism of 'Abdu'l-Baha</h3><br />Baha'is think that 'Abdu'l-Baha was the most anti-racist person they know: did not have a racist bone in his body. But 'Abdu'l-Baha wrote and said things that could be considered "racist" today like calling black Africans "lower than the animals" and "cows with human faces" and "incapable of civilization" etc. Lots of statements. Baha'is call me a "liar" when I point this out, or that I've misquoted him, or quoted him out of context, but I have not. Baha'i apologists point out that indeed 'Abdu'l-Baha said that things, but he said equally awful things about Arabs and Turks ('Abdu'l-Baha was Persian not an Arab or Turk). 'Abdu'l-Baha clearly wrote that the Person race was most superior by birth. His comments about "black Africans" are truly appalling. According to the Unitarians, 'Abdu'l-Baha was all "light and goodness" to the rich liberal Americans and Brits who donated money to him, but that was a facade and not the real man they knew and grew up with all of their lives. 'Abdu'l-Baha used to call his brother Mohammad Ali "The Most Great Fire Wood" and used to make jokes about the children of Unitarians saying they would suck the penis' of goats mistaking their semen for milk. He did often slap people who said anything he disagreed with. If it wasn't for George Ibrahim Kheiralla, the Baha'i Faith would be a small Sufi order today among some Persians. Yet, Kheiralla lived among the Baha'is of Haifa for six months and concluded that 'Abd'ul-Baha was a dishonest opportunist: the very claim of the Unitarians (Mohammad Ali Effendi, Badi'u'llah and the Baha'is who followed them).<br /><br />'Abdu'l-Baha wrote that "a Baha'i nigger is better than a non-Baha'i nymph". 'Abdu'l-Baha did use the Farsi word "kakasiah" which is the same as "nigger" in English.<br /><br /><h3 style="text-align: left;">Shoghi Effendi as tyrant</h3><br />Shoghi Effendi excommunicated almost all Persian Baha'is in Palestine except for himself, a few close followers, and his own mother. All the others he excommunicated. Why? He never said. However, they have spoken. Those who were excommunicated claim that Shoghi Effendi was a tyrant: that not only did Shoghi want to control the Faith as Guardian, but that he wanted to control every aspect of their lives: what their children studied in school, what jobs they would take, whom they could or could not marry. In Haifa, Shoghi Effendi acted more like a Godfather than Guardian. When two Baha'is decided to go on a trip to America, Shoghi excommunicated them for not asking his permission first. When one of his secretaries (a male) married an American woman, Shoghi excommunicated him for not getting his consent first. And the children of these people were also excommunicated. Even though Baha'u'llah commanded Baha'is "do not shun" in the Most Holy Book, Shoghi Effendi made shunning a religious duty.<br /><br />'Abdu'l-Baha once wrote that American blacks should be grateful for all that whites have done for them.<br /><br /><h3 style="text-align: left;">'Abdu'l-Baha's praise for Cristopher Columbus and August Forel</h3><br />Cristopher Columbus enslaved native Americans he found on the island of Hispanola. Yet, 'Abdu'l-Baha praised the man. August Forel was a racist and Monist: a movement which believed black Africans were higher apes and not even humans. 22 years after becoming a Baha'i Forel still called himself a "Monist". 'Abdu'l-Baha wrote "The Tablet to August Forel" and praised the man. Baha'i apologists say that there is no evidence that 'Abdu'l-Baha knew that Forel was a racist. I guess Forel duped him eh?<br /><br /><h3 style="text-align: left;">The Place of Pilgrimage is in Baghdad not Bahji</h3><br />Baha'u'llah clearly outlined in the Aqdas and elsewhere that the Place of Pilgrimage for Baha'is would be his house in Baghdad. He made no reference to Bahji as any place of pilgrimage. Shoghi Effendi tried to buy the house of Baha'u'llah after becoming Guardian, but the owner would not sell. So, Shoghi quickly changed the Most Holy Place to the burial place of Baha'u'llah in Bahji. He did this because he simply could not purchase the real Place of Pilgrimage designed by Baha'u'llah in his Tablets.<br /><br /><h3 style="text-align: left;">The Center for the Study of the Holy Texts</h3><br />I still remember as a Baha'i waiting for the completion of the Center for the Study of the Holy Texts on the Ark in Carmel in Haifa. I was told that Baha'i scholars from around the world would gather there, translate all the holy texts and early historians, and write commentaries on them. Well, what happened? Most of the tablets of the Bab, Baha'u'llah, 'Abdu'l-Baha, Quddus, and just about all (99%) of the early Babi and Baha'i histories are still not translated, and anyone who translate even a portion has their membership removed by the House. What are they hiding? Why won't they translate the texts and early Babi and Baha'i histories? We are told "We have enough already". That is not the truth. the TRUTH is that the Tablets and early histories contains information that would convince 90% of the Baha'is today to leave the Faith. That is the ONLY reason those Tablets and histories will never be translated and published, unless by rouge Baha'i linguists who get copies of them that are leaked or from old Baha'is in Iran.<br /><br />The House is deliberately covering-up Babi and Baha'i history and holy texts it deems "not fit to publish". Deliberately.<br /><br /><h3 style="text-align: left;">The entire world will become Baha'i</h3><br />The Baha'is are confident that somehow the entire world will become Baha'i. Muslims are sure the world will become Muslim. Mormons are sure the world will become Mormon. Followers of Sun Myoung Moon was sure that the entire world would one day all become Unification Church, and all would be "one" thus there would be lasting world peace. I say...as long as people have the freedom to choose their own religion, the entire world will never be any one religion: and especially not the Baha'i religion, a religion which teaches that Jesus was never raised, never performed literal miracles, and only came to improve the status or minorities and women.<br /><br />I hope that the Baha'is finally open their eyes, and see that truth about their religion: that it is man-made and not a revelation from God.<div><br /></div><div>Source : <a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/1b937h5/open_letter_to_the_bahais_regarding_your_the/">https://old.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/1b937h5/open_letter_to_the_bahais_regarding_your_the/</a></div>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-5394151328175509442024-03-08T01:37:00.000-08:002024-03-08T01:37:47.641-08:00 An occultist's thoughts on the current state of the Bahá'í faith<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg1WzgEI9ShVwTpERFhrY2eD8tk2c9GaascrVZ7yEl8lFkZizkUcGA95AAuTICc4oawFoqTmgV-0CGthOAUhyphenhyphenWqdMRumx0ilNGyPv6Ft1f7TIkxfLGqcSB9gYGWwTK98d8XbYcOC7VHb1_aaQcSNDq9uBIxLw9TEQwCj8WKoYbdkvlZDI9x8YtBnBj5/s591/image_2024-03-08_150724872.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="591" data-original-width="423" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg1WzgEI9ShVwTpERFhrY2eD8tk2c9GaascrVZ7yEl8lFkZizkUcGA95AAuTICc4oawFoqTmgV-0CGthOAUhyphenhyphenWqdMRumx0ilNGyPv6Ft1f7TIkxfLGqcSB9gYGWwTK98d8XbYcOC7VHb1_aaQcSNDq9uBIxLw9TEQwCj8WKoYbdkvlZDI9x8YtBnBj5/w458-h640/image_2024-03-08_150724872.png" width="458" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div>To begin, I have to say that I have never been a member of the Bahá'í faith myself, however, lately I have been on a deep dive into the history, teachings and writings of the Bahá'í faith, and I have found it to be an incredibly interesting spiritual system, with so much to offer, as well as a fresh perennial perspective on the established Abrahamic faiths that are spread throughout most of the world today.<br /><br />I started my research by reading some of the Bahá'í writings, supplemented by some reading from the Persian Bayan. I found Baháʼu'lláh’s works to be full of insight, with a really elaborate and complex emanationist theology, similar to Kabbalah or Neoplatonism, accompanied by a really good regiment of mystical practice, prayer and meditation. His writings, especially the earlier ones, are also written in an eloquent and easily understandable, yet lofty and poetic style.<br /><br />Since the Bahá'í faith had roots in the Bab’s esoteric interpretations of Islam, all this does make sense. The Bahá'í faith started as a fringe esoteric movement, and this is well reflected in the writings of Baháʼu'lláh. He commonly spends time explaining his position as the Manifestation of God, on the meaning of it and his role in the broader Twelver Shi’ite eschatology.<br /><br />After learning about this historical information, and after reading some of the writings, I decided to learn more about the faith today. As an occultist and a person interested in broader religious studies, the prospect of a fringe, Sufi influenced movement becoming a worldwide religion was very interesting to me. And after learning more about the Bahá'í faith today, I was left relatively disappointed.<br /><br />A lot of the deeper mystical food-for-thought aspects of the Bahá'í faith present in the earlier writings seems to have been completely forsaken, in favor of generic statements that seem like little more than a public relations campaign. Instead of theology, most of the modern writings about the Faith primarily focus on proclaiming and parroting vague paroles about “the unity of religion”, “the unity of mankind”, “unity of science and religion”, and similar statements. Usually, nobody goes in depth on any of these points, nobody talks about the meaning of these statements or in any meaningful way explain it beyond “we are the universal religion!”.<br /><br />From what I gathered, the whole idea about the unity of religion was a relatively minor point in the original Bahá'í writings, especially compared to other laws and topics. In the earlier writings, it is obvious that the Bahá'í faith was supposed to be the continuation of Shia Islam, rather than the more vague notion of it being the “universal religion”. As far as I noticed, these ideas were elaborated on and introduced as important after Baháʼu'lláh’s death by ʻAbdu'l-Bahá, in an effort to make the faith more palatable to a Western audience, who couldn’t care less about Shi’a eschatology.<br /><br />The issue with this is that all the claims of the faith are based on the idea that Baháʼu'lláh is the Islamic Mahdi. It is the foundation for Bahá'í theology and it all makes very little sense without it. ʻAbdu'l-Bahá also introduced the idea that various Eastern deities and religious figures, such as Confucious, Krishna and the Buddha are Manifestations of God. This is again at odds with the inherently Abrahamic nature of the faith, and it was, from my understanding, the beginning of the downfall of the Bahá'í faith. From that point on, it became more focused on gaining converts in the West as quickly as possible rather than elaborating on Baháʼu'lláh’s teachings, or even more importantly, translating his many writings, most of which are still inaccessible to this day.<br /><br />Most Baháʼi converts today don’t know a lot about the theology or cosmology of their adopted faith, and they instead reduce the Bahá'í teachings to the level of a COEXIST bumper sticker. The UHJ seems to be actively sabotaging any further translations of the Bahá'í writings, and instead they focus on making books that are parroting the same paroles about some vague notion of unity of all mankind or world peace. The Bahá'í faith is also infiltrated with a lot of New Age ideas, such as Reiki or crystal healing, which seems to serve as a quick substitute for a lack of theological knowledge.<br /><br />I would say that the Bahá'í faith had the potential to spread a reformed and purified form of Sufi mysticism throughout the world, and I would argue that Baháʼu'lláh’s original teachings were even more tolerant and peaceful than what the UHJ preaches today (for example, endorsing Shoghi Effendi’s homophobia). Like Mormonism, it lost its roots due to the focus shifting from staying true to the original goal to proselytizing and PR.<br /><br />But, these are just some opinions and impressions I gained from my personal research over the last few weeks.<br /><br />TL;DR- I enjoy Baháʼu'lláh’s original writings and ideas, but I feel like the Baháʼi faith today is not doing its job well in spreading or preserving them.<br /><br /><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/1b3azzh/an_occultists_thoughts_on_the_current_state_of/">https://old.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/1b3azzh/an_occultists_thoughts_on_the_current_state_of/</a>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-90714147442259945332024-03-05T09:22:00.000-08:002024-03-05T09:22:35.409-08:00Many of the properties owned by the Baha’i World Centre in Haifa and Akka were acquired from the Israeli government<p style="background-color: white; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px 0px 0.357143em; padding: 0px;"><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiaED8Q8eGzoMWxUk7_eDTPh5NSvLH2PtbznLRoEmwnltbWGbW-CqX8hmzAi8P40Y8LmgCtr872O7ncw4c_QhnYhO1jX1ZsbglPWg-QSVulKFzNbcvlLBHWD6p8_Dey64IsHleWMwCQ0ISyoWw6hF1YMqa6Zg6KgmTB0J1QMyIWm-rm4qvDAuE7OOah" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img alt="" data-original-height="558" data-original-width="800" height="446" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiaED8Q8eGzoMWxUk7_eDTPh5NSvLH2PtbznLRoEmwnltbWGbW-CqX8hmzAi8P40Y8LmgCtr872O7ncw4c_QhnYhO1jX1ZsbglPWg-QSVulKFzNbcvlLBHWD6p8_Dey64IsHleWMwCQ0ISyoWw6hF1YMqa6Zg6KgmTB0J1QMyIWm-rm4qvDAuE7OOah=w640-h446" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Jewish militants in Haifa</td></tr></tbody></table><br /></p><div class="vector-dropdown mw-portlet mw-portlet-lang" id="p-lang-btn" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #202122; flex-shrink: 0; float: right; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; margin-right: -12px; orphans: 2; position: relative; text-align: start; text-decoration-color: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;"></div><p></p><h1 class="firstHeading mw-first-heading" id="firstHeading" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: white; border: 0px; color: black; flex-grow: 1; font-family: "Linux Libertine", Georgia, Times, "Source Serif Pro", serif; font-size: 1.8em; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 1.375; margin: 0px; orphans: 2; overflow-wrap: break-word; overflow: hidden; padding: 0px; text-align: start; text-decoration-color: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;"><span class="mw-page-title-main">Battle of Haifa (1948)</span></h1><p style="background-color: white; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px 0px 0.357143em; padding: 0px;"><span style="color: #202122; font-family: sans-serif;">The </span><b style="color: #202122; font-family: sans-serif;">Battle of Haifa</b><span style="color: #202122; font-family: sans-serif;">, called by the Jewish forces </span><b style="color: #202122; font-family: sans-serif;">Operation Bi'ur Hametz</b><span style="color: #202122; font-family: sans-serif;"> (</span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: none; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; color: #3366cc; font-family: sans-serif; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-decoration-line: none;" title="Hebrew language">Hebrew</a><span style="color: #202122; font-family: sans-serif;">: </span><span dir="rtl" lang="he" style="color: #202122; font-family: sans-serif; text-align: start;">מבצע ביעור חמץ</span><span style="color: #202122; font-family: sans-serif;"> "</span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chametz#Removal_of_chametz" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: none; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; color: #3366cc; font-family: sans-serif; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-decoration-line: none;" title="Chametz">Passover Cleaning</a><span style="color: #202122; font-family: sans-serif;">"), was a </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: none; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; color: #3366cc; font-family: sans-serif; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-decoration-line: none;" title="Haganah">Haganah</a><span style="color: #202122; font-family: sans-serif;"> operation carried out on 21–22 April 1948 and a major event in the final stages of the </span><a class="mw-redirect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80%9348_Civil_War_in_Mandatory_Palestine" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: none; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; color: #3366cc; font-family: sans-serif; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-decoration-line: none;" title="">civil war in Palestine</a><span style="color: #202122; font-family: sans-serif;">, leading up to the </span><a class="mw-redirect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_War" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: none; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; color: #3366cc; font-family: sans-serif; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-decoration-line: none;" title="1948 Arab-Israeli War">1948 Arab-Israeli War</a><span style="color: #202122; font-family: sans-serif;">. The objective of the operation was the capture of the Arab neighborhoods of </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haifa" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: none; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; color: #3366cc; font-family: sans-serif; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-decoration-line: none;" title="Haifa">Haifa</a><span style="color: #202122; font-family: sans-serif;">. The operation formed part of the </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: none; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; color: #3366cc; font-family: sans-serif; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-decoration-line: none;" title="1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight">1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight</a><span style="color: #202122; font-family: sans-serif;">, with approximately 15,000 Arab residents being displaced between April 21-22,</span><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-2" style="color: #202122; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11.2px; line-height: 1; unicode-bidi: isolate; white-space: nowrap;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Haifa_%281948%29#cite_note-2" style="background: none; color: #3366cc; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-decoration-line: none;">[2]</a></sup><span style="color: #202122; font-family: sans-serif;"> and with only 4,000 remaining in the city by mid-May from a pre-conflict population of approximately 65,000.</span></p><p style="background-color: white; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px 0px 0.357143em; padding: 0px;"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14px;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Haifa_%281948%29">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Haifa_%281948%29</a></span></span></p><p style="background-color: white; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px 0px 0.357143em; padding: 0px;"><b>Many of the properties owned by the Baha’i World Centre in Haifa and Akka were acquired from the Israeli government, “made possible by the precipitate flight of the former Arab owners.”</b></p><p style="background-color: white; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">On November 12, 1952, <a href="http://bahai-library.com/writings/shoghieffendi/mbw/sec-25.html" rel="nofollow" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">a cablegram</a> sent by Shoghi Effendi announced the "acquisition of vitally-needed property" of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansion_of_Bahj%C3%AD" rel="nofollow" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">Mansion of Bahji</a> and the area around it from "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Land_Authority" rel="nofollow" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">the Development Authority of the State of Israel</a>...The exchange of said property, including land and houses, was made possible by the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus" rel="nofollow" style="color: #0079d3; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">precipitate flight of the former Arab owners</a>."</p><blockquote style="background-color: white; border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); color: #4f4f4f; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0px 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px 0px 0.357143em; padding: 0px;"><a href="http://bahai-library.com/writings/shoghieffendi/mbw/sec-25.html" rel="nofollow" style="color: #0079d3; margin: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">Acquisition of Vitally-Needed Property</a></p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">Announce to Bahá'í communities, East and West, on the joyous occasion of the hundred and thirty-fifth Anniversary of Bahá'u'lláh's Birthday, the successful termination of the protracted negotiations, initiated two years ago and culminating in the signature to the contract providing <span style="font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;">the eventual, formal transfer by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Land_Authority" rel="nofollow" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">the Development Authority of the State of Israel</a></span> to the Palestine Branch of the American National Spiritual Assembly of the <span style="font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;">extensive, long-desired, vitally-needed property surrounding and safeguarding for posterity the Most Holy Tomb of the Founder of the Faith, as well as the adjoining Mansion.</span></p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">The acquired area, raising Bahá'í holdings on the holy plain of &Akka from four thousand to one hundred and fifty-five thousand square meters, was exchanged against property donated by children of Zikrullah, grandchildren of Mírzá Muhammad Quli, Bahá'u'lláh's faithful half-brother and companion in exile.</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">This spontaneous offer contrasts with the shameful action of the family in the sale to non-Baha'is of the property in the neighborhood of the Jordan valley purchased through the instrumentality of `Abdu'l-Bahá during Bahá'u'lláh's lifetime, pursuant to His instructions and alluded to in His writings.</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">The forty acre property acquired in this single transaction almost equals the entire Bahá'í international endowments purchased in the course of sixty years in the vicinity of the Báb's Sepulcher on the slope of Mount Carmel.</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">The exchange of said property, including land and houses, was made possible by the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus" rel="nofollow" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">precipitate flight of the former Arab owners</a>,</span> traditional supporters of the old Covenant-breakers and descendants of the notorious enemy of `Abdu'l-Bahá who placed his residence at the disposal of the Committee of Investigation.</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">The signature to the agreement signalized the commencement of large-scale landscaping, aiming at the beautification of the immediate precincts of the holiest spot in the entire Bahá'í world, itself the prelude to the eventual erection, as happened in the case of the Báb's Sepulcher, of a befitting Mausoleum enshrining the precious Dust of the Most Great Name.</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">Desire to acknowledge the indefatigable efforts exerted by both Larry Hautz and Leroy Ioas enabling the consummation of the initial stage of the enterprise destined to eclipse in its final phase the splendor and magnificence of the Báb's resting-place on Mount Carmel.</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><em style="font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px;">--Shoghi</em></p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0px; padding: 0px;"><em style="font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px;">[Cablegram, November 12, 1952]</em></p></blockquote>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-7064670702351848022024-01-04T23:54:00.000-08:002024-01-04T23:54:00.125-08:00Long, vacuous messages that are divorced from reality (An open letter by a Senior Baha'i)<div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhDM4c-Pywd8vvmue8mYTJEroa6xB-jNq8R5saQscfgks9QENVrawYXdEN7oG-MwOdhdq8p6k_ddT_2wa5HfWQp8_KhyoyQQOfFffJgxtKYyCvcAplBTXd-PjOoG1cZvKSo8OFRPYlwEFAyTD9KQvRInx4O8b1UIbsLzTVJ0ZrzgJXQPazJHULYi-0P" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="240" data-original-width="585" height="262" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhDM4c-Pywd8vvmue8mYTJEroa6xB-jNq8R5saQscfgks9QENVrawYXdEN7oG-MwOdhdq8p6k_ddT_2wa5HfWQp8_KhyoyQQOfFffJgxtKYyCvcAplBTXd-PjOoG1cZvKSo8OFRPYlwEFAyTD9KQvRInx4O8b1UIbsLzTVJ0ZrzgJXQPazJHULYi-0P=w640-h262" width="640" /></a></div><br />Friends,</div><br />This is an open letter written by a disgruntled Baha'i who has seen the Faith gradually deteriorate. The supreme body UHJ is in a separate universe while the faith is on ventilator (as shown by declining numbers, moral deterioration, scams, lack of volunteers and funding).<br /><br />The most tedious message of 2023 is the 27-page one that was released on November 23. The message is detached from reality and focuses on purported splendour, which raises doubts for anybody familiar with the minor details of the lives of the personalities after Baha'u'llah's ascension. There isn't a word about the unprecedented state of warfare in the nation that houses the UHJ—not even a prayer for peace to win. Which planet is the UHJ staying in?<br /><br />Upon examining the current state of the faith, we witness a decline in morality - frauds, extramarital affairs, tampered elections, and sporadic breakups. As Baha'is, we hope to bring about global equality, peace, harmony, and high moral standards. Unfortunately! Prior to tackling global issues, we must first solve our own urgent requirements.<br /><br />In the middle of all of this, the UHJ delivers a message that will be too difficult for even the most dedicated senior Baha'i to read. Without a doubt, not even the UHJ members would have read this.<br /><br />Nevertheless, I made the effort, and by the time I finished, I was mentally exhausted. There is a lack of consistency, a lot of fancy terms, and numerous repetitions. It appears that this was written and published by a stenographer or an intern.<br /><br />It is obvious that the UHJ has lost its way, and those in charge are not at all concerned in the expansion and advancement of Faith. Maybe they're relishing the prestige and benefits that come with the job. It makes sense that the community is more concerned with following procedures than the true meaning of the religion. There are dwindling numbers of pioneers and nearly no volunteers to provide financial support.<br /><br />The UHJ needs to understand that they will be abruptly awakened from their nirvana. By then, it will be too late, and the founders' efforts would have been in vain. The day is not too far off.<div><br /></div><div>Source : <a href="https://singaporebahai.blogspot.com/2023/12/action-less-long-messages-and-away-from.html">https://singaporebahai.blogspot.com/2023/12/action-less-long-messages-and-away-from.html</a></div>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-76522161541652667712024-01-04T23:35:00.000-08:002024-01-04T23:36:58.450-08:00Happy New Year! On 1st January 1942 Shoghi Effendi expelled his own sister<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgr30Vop4mQOFuWvo4k0LZ3-Jkie8BGLm9zEpGguyGl7hwro4loKeC0f-xZogRJTMiqLFUWgC-cJcJ2JkdotEzmkYoJQ1tU-9cbdC0mZkvhpXDPD9HTDWbZyb3rFNfLHkPZjVoRSSQ_iLtMbl0NBu1TGl5R85cVnyGBCzJShyphenhyphen6I7M4ufGoyDqtQ2geT/s224/mehrangiz%20rabbani1.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="224" data-original-width="161" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgr30Vop4mQOFuWvo4k0LZ3-Jkie8BGLm9zEpGguyGl7hwro4loKeC0f-xZogRJTMiqLFUWgC-cJcJ2JkdotEzmkYoJQ1tU-9cbdC0mZkvhpXDPD9HTDWbZyb3rFNfLHkPZjVoRSSQ_iLtMbl0NBu1TGl5R85cVnyGBCzJShyphenhyphen6I7M4ufGoyDqtQ2geT/w288-h400/mehrangiz%20rabbani1.jpg" width="288" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Mehrangiz Rabbani</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div><span style="font-size: large;">"Faithless sister Mehrangiz (has) followed (the) example (of) Ruhi's sister. All ties (have been) severed. No consideration (of) family relationships can ever be allowed (to) interfere (with the) dictates (of) justice or (to) supersede supreme fidelity (to) Center (of) Baha'u'llah's Covenant. Inform believers."</span></div><span style="font-size: large;"><br />(Signed)<br /><br />Shoghi Rabbani<br /><br />1 Jan 1942<br /></span><br />Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-48132975436875458092024-01-01T00:10:00.000-08:002024-01-01T00:11:35.736-08:00Most ex-Baha'is found a kindred spirit in Abd al-Hosayn Ayati.<p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px 0px 0.357143em; padding: 0px;"></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhqHF2fNJFNLXRnO-taHBLwFC8RIG_PsU1bJ6wtUXZw_QlUKe0Z4sFYjvFjav8PZRKx2j-XCvOh_EGNODlvxeyLjUCUb3aoJJPOcMup5KFyLOMZ-6rxrXwT-9WWmx9WKrvj7CloYlTyedNXp4nnToULf9Tk9xi7VHgZ33Tvoanc4oVU6Gy1ckfAwHRP/s645/avareh%202024.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="645" data-original-width="341" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhqHF2fNJFNLXRnO-taHBLwFC8RIG_PsU1bJ6wtUXZw_QlUKe0Z4sFYjvFjav8PZRKx2j-XCvOh_EGNODlvxeyLjUCUb3aoJJPOcMup5KFyLOMZ-6rxrXwT-9WWmx9WKrvj7CloYlTyedNXp4nnToULf9Tk9xi7VHgZ33Tvoanc4oVU6Gy1ckfAwHRP/w211-h400/avareh%202024.jpg" width="211" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Abd al-Hosayn Ayati (Avarih)</td></tr></tbody></table><p></p><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px 0px 0.357143em; padding: 0px;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati" style="color: #0079d3; margin: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati</a></p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); color: #4f4f4f; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px 0px 0.357143em; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;">Abd al Ḥosayn Ayati</span> (1871—1953) was an Iranian convert to the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%CA%BC%C3%AD_Faith" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">Baháʼí Faith</a>, who later converted back to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">Islam</a> and wrote several polemic works against his former religion.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTEAfshar2011-1" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[1]</a> He was known among Baháʼí circles as Avarih and is regarded as an apostate.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTEAfshar2011-1" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[1]</a> In his later years he served as a secondary school teacher while writing poetry and history,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTEKhalkhali1958-2" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[2]</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTERastegar1978-3" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[3]</a> and was regarded as a competent orator.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTEBurqaie1994-4" style="color: #0079d3; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[4]</a></p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0px; padding: 0px;">During his 18 years as a Baháʼí, Ayati was a missionary to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkestan" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">Turkestan</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Caucasus" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">the Caucasus</a>, the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">Ottoman Empire</a>, and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">Egypt</a>.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTEAfshar2011-1" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[1]</a> During this time he associated with <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBAbdu%27l-Bah%C3%A1" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">ʻAbdu'l-Bahá</a> and wrote a two-volume history of the Baháʼí Faith, <em style="font-weight: inherit; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;">al-Kawākeb al-dorrīya</em> (1914), which was translated to Arabic in 1924.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTEAfshar2011-1" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[1]</a> His main polemic writing refuting the Baháʼí Faith was the three-volume <em style="font-weight: inherit; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;">Kašf al-ḥīal</em> (1928-31).<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTEAfshar2011-1" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[1]</a> He has a total of seventeen published titles on various subjects, such as the history of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazd" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">Yazd</a> <em style="font-weight: inherit; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;">Ātaškada-ye yazdān</em> (1928), and commentaries and translations of the Qur'an.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTEAfshar2011-1" style="color: #0079d3; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[1]</a></p></blockquote><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">__________</p><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#Early_life" style="color: #0079d3; margin: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#Early_life</a></p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); color: #4f4f4f; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px 0px 0.357143em; padding: 0px;">Ayati became a cleric in his youth years while at Yazd and would give sermons and lead prayers. He showed great interest in literature and poetry.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTENarges2009-5" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[5]</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTEKhalkhali1958-2" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[2]</a> According to one of his brief autobiographies, he hadn't reached puberty yet when he was allowed to wear the classic Muslim cleric clothing and give sermons. At the age of twenty, he lost his father and at the age of twenty five, he was stationed as the Imam of the Mosque that his late father led the prayers at.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTEBurqaie1994-4" style="color: #0079d3; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[4]</a></p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">He became a Baháʼí at the age of 30.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTENarges2009-5" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[5]</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTEKhalkhali1958-2" style="color: #0079d3; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[2]</a> This is how Ayati describes it:</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0px; padding: 0px;"><em style="font-weight: inherit; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;">"I became familiar with the Baháʼís at the age of 30 and left my beloved homeland. I removed the Turban from my head and shaved my beard and started traveling around the world."</em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTERastegar1978-3" style="color: #0079d3; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;"><em style="font-weight: inherit; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;">[3]</em></a></p></blockquote><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">____________</p><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#Life_as_a_Bah%C3%A1" style="color: #0079d3; margin: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#Life_as_a_Bah%C3%A1</a></p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); color: #4f4f4f; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px 0px 0.357143em; padding: 0px;">After becoming a Baháʼí, Ayati started a career as a Baháʼí missionary that saw him traveling to Tehran, the Iranian capital and from there to many Iranian cities and provinces.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTERastegar1978-3" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[3]</a> His Missionary travels then took him outside of Iran and in a span of 18 years he traveled to Turkestan, the Caucasus, the Ottoman Empire, and Egypt. Due to his numerous endeavors 'Abdu'l Baha gave him the titles of "Raʾīs al-Moballeḡīn" (Chief of Missionaries) and "Avarih" (Wanderer).<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTEAfshar2011-1" style="color: #0079d3; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[1]</a></p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">In 1923, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoghi_Effendi" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">Shoghi Effendi</a> sent Ayati to England to teach the Baháʼí Faith. This was first announced to the Baháʼís of the west through the Baháʼí Magazine, Star of the West.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-6" style="color: #0079d3; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[6]</a></p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">Ayati then left England for Cairo to print his two volume work on the history of the Baháʼí faith called <em style="font-weight: inherit; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;">al-Kawakib al-durriya</em>. According to Shoghi Effendi this work was "the most comprehensive and reliable history of the Movement yet published"<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-9" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[9]</a> and " the most graphic, the most reliable and comprehensive of its kind in Bahai literature"<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-:7-7" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[7]</a> and was labelled as the "great history of the Baháʼí cause" by the Baháʼí magazine, Star of the West.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-10" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[10]</a> According to Encyclopaedia Iranica it "is still one of the major works on the subject."<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTEAfshar2011-1" style="color: #0079d3; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[1]</a></p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">In a letter addressed to the Baháʼís of some European countries, Shoghi Effendi writes about Avarih, thus:</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><em style="font-weight: inherit; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;">His wide experience and familiarity with the various aspects of the Movement, his profound and extensive knowledge of its history; his association with some of the early believers, the pioneers and martyrs of the Cause will I am sure to appeal to every one of you and will serve to acquaint you still further with the more intimate and tragic side of this remarkable Movement.</em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-11" style="color: #0079d3; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;"><em style="font-weight: inherit; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;">[11]</em></a></p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">After reverting to Islam he openly opposed the Baháʼí Faith and was considered a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant-breaker" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">Covenant-breaker</a>. He was labelled by Shoghi Effendi as a "shameless apostate".<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-12" style="color: #0079d3; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[12]</a></p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0px; padding: 0px;">The references made to Avarih in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Esslemont" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">John Esslemont</a>'s book <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Esslemont#Bah%C3%A1%CA%BCu'll%C3%A1h_and_the_New_Era" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;"><em style="font-weight: inherit; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;">Baháʼu'lláh and the New Era</em></a> were removed in subsequent editions published after Avarih's apostasy from the Baháʼí Faith.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-13" style="color: #0079d3; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[13]</a></p></blockquote><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">______________</p><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#Life_after_reverting_to_Islam" style="color: #0079d3; margin: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#Life_after_reverting_to_Islam</a></p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); color: #4f4f4f; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px 0px 0.357143em; padding: 0px;">He returned to Iran and spent the rest of his life as a secondary school teacher.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTEAfshar2011-1" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[1]</a> For the first ten years he taught literature at the Sultaniyya, Elmieh, Razi, and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_ul-Funun_(Persia" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">Dar al-Funun</a>) schools in Tehran. He was then Transferred to Yazd and continued his teaching career.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTERastegar1978-3" style="color: #0079d3; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[3]</a></p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">Ayati passed away in the City of Yazd in 1953.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-FOOTNOTEBurqaie1994-4" style="color: #0079d3; margin: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">[4]</a> The cause of death was an illness that he was afflicted with during a trip to Tehran shorty before his death. His body was transferred to Qum and he was buried there. Shoghi Effendi describes Avarih's death as a strike of God's avenging hand in the following manner:</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0px; padding: 0px;"><em style="font-weight: inherit; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;">"Following the successive blows which fell with dramatic swiftness two years ago upon the ring-leaders of the fast dwindling band of old Covenant-breakers at the World Center of the Faith, God’s avenging hand struck down in the last two months, Avarih, Fareed and Falah, within the cradle of the Faith, North America and Turkey, who demonstrated varying degrees, in the course of over thirty years, of faithlessness to ‘Abdu’l-Bahá. The first of the above named will be condemned by posterity as being the most shameless, vicious, relentless apostate in the annals of the Faith, who, through ceaseless vitriolic attacks in recorded voluminous writings and close alliance with its traditional enemies, assiduously schemed to blacken its name and subvert the foundations of its institutions."</em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Hosayn_Ayati#cite_note-14" style="color: #0079d3; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;"><em style="font-weight: inherit; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;">[14]</em></a></p></blockquote><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><em style="font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px;">___________</em></p><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">Long after his death, Baha'i propaganda writers still felt the need to do damage control regarding his life and career. Most notably, Adib Taherzadeh in his book The Covenant of Baha'u'llah.</p><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><a href="https://bahai-library.com/taherzadeh_covenant_bahaullah&chapter=30" style="color: #0079d3; margin: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">https://bahai-library.com/taherzadeh_covenant_bahaullah&chapter=30</a></p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); color: #4f4f4f; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Soon after Shoghi Effendi assumed the office of the Guardianship, and while there was widespread expectation among the Bahá'ís of the immediate establishment of the Universal House of Justice, some egotistical personalities longed to become members of that august institution. One such person in the East was Abdu'l-Husayn, entitled by Abdu'l-Bahá as Avarih (Wanderer). In the West it was Ahmad Sohrab. Both men were prominent teachers of the Faith in Persia and North America respectively, and both had one thing in common: a passionate love of leadership.</p></blockquote><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Question: Were there any actual statements from these two indicating this?</span></p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); color: #4f4f4f; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Avarih was a native of the village of Taft in the Province of Yazd. Before he embraced the Faith he was a Muslim clergyman. Soon after becoming a follower of Bahá'u'lláh he was recognized by the believers to be a man of learning and knowledge, and not long after that he became renowned as one of the erudite teachers of the Faith. For several years, he travelled around Persia, Iraq and Egypt, and became one of the most respected and famous Bahá'ís of the East as he employed his talents in teaching and writing for the Faith. Abdu'l-Bahá, who was fully aware of the vices and corrupt practices of this man, did not prevent him from serving the Cause, and as long as he acted faithfully in relation to the Faith, He encouraged him, praised his work, and wrote several Tablets in his honour.</p></blockquote><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">And how was Abdu'l-Baha "fully aware of the vices and corrupt practices of this man"? That doesn't even sound remotely plausible.</span></p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); color: #4f4f4f; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">However, from the beginning of his Bahá'í involvement, he displayed a pride and vanity which puzzled those Bahá'ís who were in close contact with him. They could not reconcile the quality and goodness of his service to the Cause with his egotistical behaviour, and were surprised when they came across some of his despicable habits such as smoking opium in secret, a practice that Bahá'u'lláh had strictly forbidden. However, the rank and file of the believers were drawn to him, and during the time when he was actively teaching the Faith and promoting its interests he became renowned among the Bahá'ís as the foremost teacher of the Cause in the community and the outstanding personality within its ranks.</p></blockquote><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Unless and until proof is given that this man was indeed a habitual drug user, this seems like petty libel. As for being egotistical, one can look at what Baha'u'llah often wrote abou himself!</span></p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); color: #4f4f4f; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">One of the dreams entertained by Avarih was to become a member of the Universal House of Justice. He knew that if there were to be an election of this body, he would most likely be elected, as he was one of the foremost teachers of the Faith in Persia and well-known even in some communities in the West.</p></blockquote><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Uh, the Will and Testament of Abdu'l-Baha made clear that the Universal House of Justice needed to be established with the Guardian as its head for life, complete with provision for the Guardian to expel members who commit a sin "injurious to the common weal". So it was unlikely that Ayati could do much harm even if he was elected to the House of Justice. As it turned out, Shoghi Effendi chose NOT to follow his grandfather's commands, keeping the absolute leadership of the Faith in his hands until his death in 1957. So who was being the egomaniac?</span></p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); color: #4f4f4f; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Avarih was an outright hypocrite who had endeared himself to the friends. This he did by writing letters, full of loving exhortation couched in moving language, which he used to disseminate among the believers in both the East and the West. He wrote one such letter in April 1923 addressed to the annual Convention of the Bahá'ís of the United States of America. Although he had no faith in Shoghi Effendi and was about to undermine his position as the Guardian of the Faith, yet he used to write to Bahá'í communities extolling his station in superlative terms and urged the friends to turn to him and remain steadfast in the Covenant.</p></blockquote><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Unless Adib Taherzadeh knew Ayati personally and could read his mind, he has no business making such unfounded claims.</span></p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); color: #4f4f4f; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Considering himself to be an erudite and knowledgeable Bahá'í, and regarding Shoghi Effendi as young and inexperienced, Avarih advised him in Haifa to arrange for the establishment of the Universal House of Justice at an early stage. Shoghi Effendi clearly explained to him that the election of that body had to wait until such time as local and national Spiritual Assemblies could be formed in various countries and were fully functioning. But Avarih was not satisfied with this explanation and was still determined to press his point of view.</p></blockquote><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Shoghi Effendi's argument is reasonable.....except there were already a dozen or so National Spiritual Assemblies established at the beginning of the Ten Year World Crusade (1953-1963) and the Guardian STILL did not call for the Universal House of Justice to be elected before the Crusade began. That's absurd!</span></p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); color: #4f4f4f; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">During the few months that he remained in Cairo, he created dissension and disunity among the believers to such an extent that the Spiritual Assembly of Cairo complained to Shoghi Effendi. Thus he was again invited to go to the Holy Land. Avarih questioned the authenticity of the Will and Testament of Abdu'l-Bahá but was satisfied with it when he was shown the original copy in Abdu'l-Bahá's handwriting. He then met with the Greatest Holy Leaf and reiterated to her his opinion that Shoghi Effendi should be advised to call for the election of the Universal House of Justice. He is reported to have uttered a veiled threat that if his demand were not acted upon, he would have no choice but to arouse the Bahá'ís of Persia to rebel against the Guardian.</p></blockquote><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">And where is the documentation for any of these claims?</span></p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); color: #4f4f4f; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">This clear violation of the Covenant isolated Avarih from the believers. Even his wife left him and refused to associate with him. Soon he changed his tactics and wrote a series of letters to various members of Abdu'l-Bahá's family saying that there had been misunderstandings and suggested that if Shoghi Effendi was willing to arrange an annual income for him, he would be willing to alter his attitude and stop his activities against the Covenant of Bahá'u'lláh.</p></blockquote><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">The apparent truth is that his wife being forced to either remain loyal to her husband or remaining in the Baha'i community destroyed the marriage. So much for Baha'i family values!</span></p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); color: #4f4f4f; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">When there was no positive response to his letters, he unveiled his satanic nature and wrote most abusive letters to Shoghi Effendi in which he used rude and offensive language and vowed to destroy the Faith of Bahá'u'lláh altogether. There was never among the Covenant-breakers during Shoghi Effendi's ministry a man so vile and hypocritical as he.</p></blockquote><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">May we see those letters?</span></p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); color: #4f4f4f; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Covenant-breakers usually oppose the Centre of the Faith, but most of them have claimed to be believers in Bahá'u'lláh. However, in this case Avarih rebelled against the Faith itself. This he did despite the fact that he had spent more than two decades teaching the Cause of Bahá'u'lláh and had published voluminous writings declaring its truth and testifying to the authenticity of the message of its Founder. He joined hands with the Muslim clergy and Christian missionaries in attacking the Faith in Persia. He disseminated far and wide a series of his despicable publications against the Faith. In foul language, he attacked every aspect of the Faith, misrepresented its aims, and uttered slanders about its Central Figures whom he attacked in most distasteful terms. 'The volumes', Shoghi Effendi writes, 'which a shameless apostate composed and disseminated ... in his brazen efforts not only to disrupt that Order [Administrative Order] but to undermine the very Faith which had conceived it proved ... abortive.'" [30-2]</p></blockquote><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Technically, if he rejected the Baha'i Faith itself, he wasn't a Covenant breaker at all. So why was he ever labeled one? Because then the Baha'is could be made to shun him to limit his efforts to discredit the Faith.</span></p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); color: #4f4f4f; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Owing to his political activities, Avarih at one time fell into public disgrace, and at an advanced age was exiled by order of the government to the city of Yazd where he lived an ignominious life. Shoghi Effendi predicted that Avarih would live to a very old age in order to witness with his own eyes the progress of the Faith throughout the world. Indeed he lived to be about one hundred years of age, and witnessed the rising prestige of the Faith, the inauguration of the Holy Year in 1953, the completion of the superstructure of the Shrine of the Bab, the launching of the Ten Year Crusade and the convocation of several international conferences at which a host of teachers and pioneers arose to bring the Message of Bahá'u'lláh to many virgin territories and establish the institutions of His Faith all over the globe.</p></blockquote><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">He actually died at the age of 82, not nearly 100, and a person falling into public disgrace would not have had a successful career late in life as a school teacher. It is clear that Taherzadeh was indeed lying here.</span></p><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;"><br /></span></p><p style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Source : <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/kxcdng/abd_alhosayn_ayati_a_kindred_spirit_to_most_of_us/">https://www.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/kxcdng/abd_alhosayn_ayati_a_kindred_spirit_to_most_of_us/</a></span></p>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-74768958725761908982023-12-30T23:37:00.000-08:002023-12-30T23:37:00.122-08:00Contradictory Dates in Bahá'í Texts Regarding the Public Announcement of the Prophet Muhammad<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjnVtUeXUE8vVS0jaLMh3KZvZ3d0MuDcJDrnagjEArvmlaEUs-ebDAOL-AFMNVqiroFJmo2a50xzoHhQfuvXqVNe-Nmw-Zu4TsR7ehDRwj4j5UVIZ4yZOooSuVz2RdiDhV-sdgNgrWvNZQq_CnTGwXiZZbCtXWchnoi0gprXdvzxcCaJblIKImbdajy/s515/abdul%20baha%202.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="515" data-original-width="457" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjnVtUeXUE8vVS0jaLMh3KZvZ3d0MuDcJDrnagjEArvmlaEUs-ebDAOL-AFMNVqiroFJmo2a50xzoHhQfuvXqVNe-Nmw-Zu4TsR7ehDRwj4j5UVIZ4yZOooSuVz2RdiDhV-sdgNgrWvNZQq_CnTGwXiZZbCtXWchnoi0gprXdvzxcCaJblIKImbdajy/w355-h400/abdul%20baha%202.jpg" width="355" /></a></div><br /><p>By <b>Rauf Murtuzov </b>(2023)</p><p>As a Muslim with an interest in history, I discovered apparent conflicting dates in Bahá'í texts regarding the public announcement of the prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (may peace and blessings be upon him), which prompted me to delve into this matter. The apparent discrepancy arises from the perspectives of two prominent figures within the Bahá'í faith, the Bab (allegedly) and Abdul Baha, who apparently each provide distinct interpretations of the timeline in relation to this momentous event.</p><p>After researching the Bab's writings, Stephen Lambden concluded that the Bab claimed the Prophet Muhammad publicly announced his Prophethood 7 years before Hijrah, after a number of years of private preaching. Lambden claimed: “The total value of all the disconnected letters from A.L.M. to A.L.M.R is thus 1267. It is evident that, taken as years of the Islamic lunar calendar (this calculation is based on the lunar, not solar calendar) yields 1267 which is 7 years in excess of 1260 (1260/1844). This seeming discrepancy can be resolved in the light of the Bāb's presupposing that the public commencement of the mission of the prophet Muhammad was about 7 years prior to the flight to Medina (Hijra, 1 A.H. = 622 C.E.) when the Islamic calendar begins. Account must then be taken of the fact that Muhammad did not proclaim his mission publicly for a number of years after his call to Prophethood at the time of his encounter with the angel Gabriel on Mount Hira (c. 610 CE or later?). These details were early on utilized in Bābī-Bahā'ī teaching activity. The great Bahā'ī apologist Mīrzā Abu'l-Faḍl Gulpāyigānī, for example, clarified and used this Islamic proof text in several of his writings including his early Sharḥ-i āyāt-i muvarrikhih ("Commentary upon the chronological proof texts") which was written in Hamadān (Irān) around 1888 CE.” [1]</p><p>Abdul Baha claimed that Prophet Muhammad publicly announced his Prophethood 10 years before Hijrah, after 3 years of private preaching. Abdul Baha claimed: “Afterwards, in verses 11 and 12, it is said: ’And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate be set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.’</p><p>The commencement of this lunar reckoning is from the day of the proclamation of the prophethood of Muḥammad in the land of Ḥijáz; and that was three years after the revelation of His mission, because in the beginning the prophethood of Muḥammad was concealed, and no one knew of it save Khadíjih and Ibn-i-Nawfal, until it was publicly announced three years later. And it was in the year 1290 from the proclamation of the mission of Muḥammad that Bahá’u’lláh announced His Revelation.” [2]</p><p>So Abdul Baha claimed that Bahá’u’lláh announced His Revelation in 1280 Hijri (Islamic Lunar Calendar) but the Prophet Muhammad publicly announced his Prophethood 10 years before Hijrah, so therefore '1290 days' in the Bible refers to this.</p><p><b>These conflicting narratives regarding the timing of the public announcement of Prophet Muhammad's prophethood within Bahá'í texts offer an opportunity for further exploration and discussion.</b></p><p><b>Notes</b></p><p>1.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span><a href="https://hurqalya.ucmerced.edu/node/3351">hurqalya.ucmerced.edu/node/3351">https://hurqalya.ucmerced.edu/node/3351">hurqalya.ucmerced.edu/node/3351</a></p><p>2.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span><a href="https://www.bahai.org/library/authoritative-texts/abdul-baha/some-answered-questions/4#373565639">bahai.org/library/authoritative-texts/abdul-baha/some-answered-questions/4#373565639">https://www.bahai.org/library/authoritative-texts/abdul-baha/some-answered-questions/4#373565639">bahai.org/library/authoritative-texts/abdul-baha/some-answered-questions/4#373565639</a></p><p>Source : <a href="https://bahai-library.com/murtuzov_dates_announcement_muhammad">https://bahai-library.com/murtuzov_dates_announcement_muhammad</a></p>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-19017428300660074122023-12-28T23:36:00.000-08:002023-12-28T23:37:05.622-08:00Baha'i faith silences the victims and enables abusers by protecting, and even rewarding them.<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjmivrZFnI4w5RXObkT-dcbC0xUyPQKOHtD6Kqm9bXw83V1gOggAtpLIZROUHBEB3ogfHizMqaOwshh5nEE1iZSMfyz7biqGW3HfbWsBk2b114bSeHMZjHe17bTMkOUwWIlOnI201mHWXTPUlWFsL45LoKPe_Y32RMC4rUsp5TUp2SxwlFyP60Y-020/s500/Baha'i%20abuser.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="500" data-original-width="500" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjmivrZFnI4w5RXObkT-dcbC0xUyPQKOHtD6Kqm9bXw83V1gOggAtpLIZROUHBEB3ogfHizMqaOwshh5nEE1iZSMfyz7biqGW3HfbWsBk2b114bSeHMZjHe17bTMkOUwWIlOnI201mHWXTPUlWFsL45LoKPe_Y32RMC4rUsp5TUp2SxwlFyP60Y-020/w400-h400/Baha'i%20abuser.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div>There is a wide-range of quotes that silences the victims and enables abusers by protecting, and even rewarding them.</div><br /><b>🚨WRONG : rewarding bad behaviour empowers abusers 🚨</b><br /><br /><blockquote>"Should any come to blows with you, seek to be friends with him; should any stab you to the heart, be ye a healing salve unto his sores; should any taunt and mock at you, meet him with love. Should any heap his blame upon you, praise ye him; should he offer you a deadly poison, give him the choicest honey in exchange; and should he threaten your life, grant him a remedy that will heal him evermore. Should he be pain itself, be ye his medicine; should he be thorns, be ye his roses and sweet herbs. Perchance such ways and words from you will make this darksome world turn bright at last; will make this dusty earth turn heavenly, this devilish prison place become a royal palace of the Lord—so that war and strife will pass and be no more, and love and trust will pitch their tents on the summits of the world. Such is the essence of God’s admonitions; such in sum are the teachings for the Dispensation of Bahá." - Abdu'l-Baha</blockquote><br /><b>🚨WRONG: A person with ten bad qualities and one good one should be treated entirely differently to a person with ten good qualities and one bad. We should see people and situations for what they are instead of projecting good where it doesn't exist, and we should take action to protect ourselves 🚨<br /></b><br /><blockquote>“To be silent concerning the faults of others, to pray for them, and to help them, through kindness, to correct their faults. To look always at the good and not at the bad. If a man has ten good qualities and one bad one, to look at the ten and forget the one; and if a man has ten bad qualities and one good one, to look at the one and forget the ten. Never to allow ourselves to speak one unkind word about another, even though that other be our enemy.” – Abdu’l-Baha</blockquote><br /><b>🚨WRONG: This is victim blaming and horrendously toxic. A person dealing with another person's imperfections may need assistance, protection, or intervention -- not blame.🚨<br /></b><br /><blockquote>"Therefore, do not look at the shortcomings of anybody; see with the sight of forgiveness. The imperfect eye beholds imperfections. " - Abdu'l-Baha </blockquote><b><div><b><br /></b></div>🚨WRONG: More victim blaming. It isn't a vice to see any person or situation for what it is 🚨<br /></b><br /><blockquote>"How couldst thou forget thine own faults and busy thyself with the faults of others? Whoso doeth this is accursed of Me." - Bahá’u’lláh</blockquote><br /><b>🚨WRONG: One must see each person for who they and respond accordingly. This is toxic. 🚨</b><br /><br /><blockquote>"One must see in every human being only that which is worthy of praise."-- Abdu'l-Baha</blockquote><b><div><b><br /></b></div>🚨WRONG: This makes the Baha'i community and its institutions complicit in abuse. It's criminal not to exercise duty of care and safeguarding. 🚨<br /></b><br /><blockquote>"It is obvious that if we listen to those who complain to us about the faults of others we are guilty of complicity in their backbiting. We should therefore, as tactfully as possible, but yet firmly, do our utmost to prevent others from making accusations or complaints against others in our presence." - Shoghi Effendi</blockquote><br /><b>🚨WRONG: To "conceal" and "not to expose" the misdeeds of an abuser is actually being complicit in abuse. 🚨<br /></b><br /><blockquote>You also ask what one should do to 'handle depression and anger with someone' one feels 'very positively about'. The Universal House of Justice suggests that you call to mind the admonitions found in our writings on the need to overlook the shortcomings of others, to forgive and conceal their misdeeds, not to expose their bad qualities, but to search for and affirm their praiseworthy ones, and endeavour to be always forbearing, patient, and merciful. -- Universal House of Justice</blockquote><br /><b>🚨WRONG: There are times when abusers must be criticised and held accountable 🚨</b><br /><br /><blockquote>‘Abdu’l-Bahá does not permit adverse criticism of individuals by name in discussion among the friends, even if the one criticizing believes that he is doing so to protect the interests of the Cause.-- Universal House of Justice<div></div></blockquote><div><br /></div><div><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/15ks9mv/did_you_experience_harm_by_practising_the_bahai/jvc20xx/">https://www.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/15ks9mv/did_you_experience_harm_by_practising_the_bahai/jvc20xx/</a></div>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-86578197691631311302023-12-13T09:40:00.000-08:002023-12-13T09:40:16.638-08:00Poor charitable performance of NSA Canada! <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjdfTKxv1EJGHYM57Lc9hCCMU5Rf1rTsEAz9Kvc4PeZIqea_B67iiejKu-FQUdWtMq0jkOlrvwdzE9N5_5CPzJ9CZW-1-orpnuERKV4WuKPF-R9cUO4QjiLNo3goA7v6S9lnQgY3jGMfrX0VVzLJWIW7PDmQdInysyo3LdopSkIDm10rUKbiVnjyN9v" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="325" data-original-width="797" height="261" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjdfTKxv1EJGHYM57Lc9hCCMU5Rf1rTsEAz9Kvc4PeZIqea_B67iiejKu-FQUdWtMq0jkOlrvwdzE9N5_5CPzJ9CZW-1-orpnuERKV4WuKPF-R9cUO4QjiLNo3goA7v6S9lnQgY3jGMfrX0VVzLJWIW7PDmQdInysyo3LdopSkIDm10rUKbiVnjyN9v=w640-h261" width="640" /></a></div><br /></div><div>Since 2006 Charity Intelligence Canada (Ci) has been providing information about charities which accept donations from public. It provides high quality evidence-based research to help us guide our charity giving decisions.</div><br />Charity Intelligence's analysis goes beyond plain subjectivity or narrow financial analysis to dig deeper to arrive at those charities which either perform the best or the worst. This helps the common Canadian and other donors make an informed selection of the most impactful charity while donating their funds. <br /><br />Through rigorous and independent research, Charity Intelligence aims to assist Canada’s dynamic charitable sector in being more transparent, accountable, and focused on results. <br /><br /><b>Its Latest report on National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is of Canada, Charity Intelligence shows the NSA in poor light in the matter of collection and usage of its charitable funds. In fact, it has been graded a poor LOW in its demonstrated Impact per dollar of funds received. (F-Grade) <a href="https://www.charityintelligence.ca/charity-details/991-national-spiritual-assembly-of-the-baha-is-of-canada">https://www.charityintelligence.ca/charity-details/991-national-spiritual-assembly-of-the-baha-is-of-canada </a><br /></b><br /><b>This report highlights the following shameful facts about NSAs charitable funding. </b><br /><br />1. National Spiritual Assembly holds $83.2m in excess unutilised funding, which can cover 16.6 years of its current charitable expenses and costs. That is its spending on acts of charity is so low that if it receives no donations for the next 16.6 years it can carry on its present paltry charitable expenses. <br /><br />2. Another important fact highlighted is the fact that in 2021 for a mere $5m of spending on national and international charities it bore an administrative cost of $1.411m which is a whooping 28% (Just for identifying and transferring every 1$ of its charity funds it spends $0.28). As compared to this poor fund management by NSA Canada <br /><br />Another Charity “LifeWater Canada” which incidentally got a 5 star rating by Charity Intelligence spent only $ 0.003 for every dollar it spent on its charitable activities. <br /><br />3. Continuing the Comparision with “LifeWater Canada” who managed to spend $3255m in 2022 with only one fulltime support staff, NSA Canada spend a mere $5m in 2021 by employing 24 fulltime staff! So much for its efficient management. <a href="https://www.charityintelligence.ca/charity-details/889-lifewater-canada">https://www.charityintelligence.ca/charity-details/889-lifewater-canada </a><br /><br /><b>Conclusion: <br /></b><br />1. At a time when humanity in the third world countries is suffering from severe economic crises, the rich NSA of Canada is hoarding its funds and not utilising them pro-actively. This speaks volumes of the NSA Canada’s commitment to the principles of the Bahai Faith. <br /><br />2. NSA Canada has failed the UHJ and the Bahai faith which prides itself on efficient and effective management by utterly failing in the financial management of its human resources, Funds and expenses. <br /><br />3. It seems that NSA Canada has just converted the entire NSA to offer easy and idle employment to its cahoots friends and relatives to live in luxury by denying thousands of deprived and needy in the society. <br /><br /><b>Suggestion</b>: <br /><br />The sincere Bahais and general donors are hereby cautioned against donating their hard earned earnings to NSA Canada as these donations will remain unutilised and rather be used to pay salaries of idle workers in NSA Canada.Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-72764680888179064112023-10-26T08:49:00.003-07:002023-10-26T08:49:30.856-07:00October 26. On this date in 2013, Ahang Rabbani died. <p><span style="background-color: white; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjbGfhv4DivtFTU709OX4e1nFtlh41vPWIwnAoEzfCrzb2razTHAIFmh4-ZHf3V8b8BqLLClMCTn6wvQBUopwvvjOHOd1rqWdFca0umKyTRJTuwKJsPXmOfPFa573W_P_kN9dXRuLZRa8TcnZqLirK0cj1YthQfs0Owv6FbRZCWeVoYzh1fMS7FfpnF" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="1154" data-original-width="1690" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjbGfhv4DivtFTU709OX4e1nFtlh41vPWIwnAoEzfCrzb2razTHAIFmh4-ZHf3V8b8BqLLClMCTn6wvQBUopwvvjOHOd1rqWdFca0umKyTRJTuwKJsPXmOfPFa573W_P_kN9dXRuLZRa8TcnZqLirK0cj1YthQfs0Owv6FbRZCWeVoYzh1fMS7FfpnF=w640-h438" width="640" /></a></div><br /><span style="background-color: white; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">A prolific Bahá’í translator and historian who served as director of statistics at the</span><span style="background-color: white; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"> </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1'%C3%AD_World_Centre" rel="nofollow" style="color: #0079d3; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">Bahá’í World Centre</a><span style="background-color: white; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"> </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">from 1981 to 1988. His translation are said to whitewash, censor,and obfuscate problematic matters in Bahá’í scripture.</span><p></p><p style="background-color: white; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">From the chapter titled "<a href="http://www.avazedohol.com/eng/index.php/articles?layout=edit&id=90" rel="nofollow" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">Dr Ahang Rabbani: A translator in good faith or a Baha’i whitewasher</a>" in the book <em style="font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;"><a href="http://www.avazedohol.com/eng/" rel="nofollow" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">Twelve Principles: A Comprehensive Investigation on the Baha'i Teachings</a></em>...</p><blockquote style="background-color: white; border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); color: #4f4f4f; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0px 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px 0px 0.357143em; padding: 0px;">While investigating how Baha’is censor and hide problematic matters in their scripture which had been inadvertently exposed by Dr Rabbani (the case has been documented in another article <a href="http://www.avazedohol.com/eng/index.php/component/content/article/11-articles/89-caught-red-handed-how-ahang-rabbani-exposed-the-censoring-and-information-control-method-in-baha-i-publications" rel="nofollow" style="color: #0079d3; margin: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">here</a>), it was realized that Ahang Rabbani himself had distorted a number of very problematic statements while translating the volumes that he had been working on. In two cases, these distortions are amended by footnotes which state the translations are approximate/not precise, while in fact they are neither but an outright twisting of the truth.</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">In this article we will analyze the distortions introduced by Dr Rabbani in the work <a href="http://bahai-library.com/rabbani_reminiscences_khalil_shahidi" rel="nofollow" style="color: #0079d3; margin: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">A Lifetime with Abdu'l-Bahá: Reminiscences of Khalil Shahidi</a>. Also, a single quote from another one of his translations which is worthy of mentioning will be presented.</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">...</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">Pay attention to the following quote from Abdu’l-Baha:</p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">“If you ask about Tiberius, know that its stones are black, its inhabitants are Jewish and their appearance is basic.” (Ahang Rabbani, <em style="font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px;"><a href="http://bahai-library.com/rabbani_reminiscences_khalil_shahidi" rel="nofollow" style="color: #0079d3; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">A Lifetime with ‘Abdu’l-Bahá: Reminiscences of Khalíl Shahídí</a></em>, p. 68)</p></blockquote><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">Dr Rabbani writes a footnote at the end of this statement: “The narrator gives this statement in both original Arabic and translation in Persian. Translation of the final phrase is not precise.” (footnote no. 74)</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">...</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">The two arrows point to two sentences: one in Arabic and the same sentence again in Farsi:</p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px 0px 0.357143em; padding: 0px;">" وجوههم کالقرد"</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0px; padding: 0px;">" صورتهایشان مانند میمونان است"</p></blockquote><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">The translation of these statements is this:</p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">“their appearance is like monkeys/apes”!</p></blockquote><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">So this is what Abdu’l-Baha had said about the Jews of Tiberius:</p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">“If you ask about Tiberius, know that its stones are black, its inhabitants are Jewish and their appearance is like monkeys/apes.”</p></blockquote><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">This is how it was translated by the professional Baha’i translator who is no longer amongst us:</p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">“If you ask about Tiberius, know that its stones are black, its inhabitants are Jewish and their appearance is basic.”</p></blockquote><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">...</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">According to Ahang Rabbani, this is how Abdu’l-Baha had compared Baha’is with non-Baha’is:</p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">“‘Abdu’l-Bahá said, “The least of the friends is better than the fairest of the nonbelievers.” Moreover, He used to say, “The worst of the friends is better than the best of the nonbelievers.”” (Ahang Rabbani, <a href="http://bahai-library.com/rabbani_reminiscences_khalil_shahidi" rel="nofollow" style="color: #0079d3; margin: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">A Lifetime with ‘Abdu’l-Bahá: Reminiscences of Khalíl Shahídí</a>*, p. 81)</p></blockquote><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">...</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">The section marked in red that has been uttered by Abdu’l-Baha reads:</p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">“یک کاکاسیاه احباب بهتر از یک حوریه اغیار است”</p></blockquote><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">Which translates to:</p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">“A Baha’i nigger is better than a non-Baha’i nymph”!</p></blockquote><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">Apologies for using the n word! The original Farsi word Abdu’l-Baha used is ‘kaka siah’ (کاکا سیاه) which is the equivalent of ‘nigger’ in English.</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">Compare with Rabbani’s translation:</p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">“The least of the friends is better than the fairest of the nonbelievers.”</p></blockquote><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">What is more shameful is the fact that the word ‘least’ has been used as an equivalent for ‘nigger’!</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">...</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">Pay attention to the following quote:</p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">“One of the pillars of the Covenant-breakers was named Muhammad-Javád Qazvíní. When he strolled, he held his neck exceedingly straight, particularly if he came upon the friends or His blessed Temple [‘Abdu’l-Bahá]. ‘Abdul-Bahá would say, “He is like someone with a back injury, and forced to hold his neck straight to ease the pain.” (Ahang Rabbani, <a href="http://bahai-library.com/rabbani_reminiscences_khalil_shahidi" rel="nofollow" style="color: #0079d3; margin: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">A Lifetime with ‘Abdu’l-Bahá: Reminiscences of Khalíl Shahídí</a>, p. 91)</p></blockquote><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">What was so special about the last sentence that needed to be mentioned in the memoirs: “He is like someone with a back injury, and forced to hold his neck straight to ease the pain.”</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">...</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">The section underlined in red reads:</p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">“این مثل الاغی می ماند که کمرش زخم شده باشد و از شدت درد گردنش را شق نگه دارد.”</p></blockquote><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">Which translates to:</p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">“He is like a donkey with a back injury, and forced to hold his neck straight to ease the pain.”</p></blockquote><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">Abdu’l-Baha has compared a covenant-breaker with a donkey. This isn’t strange from Abdu’l-Baha. After all he is the son of Baha’u’llah who would refer to his deniers and enemies as <a href="http://www.avazedohol.com/eng/index.php/articles?id=86" rel="nofollow" style="color: #0079d3; margin: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">donkeys, pigs, and dogs</a>. Now, compare with Dr Rabbani’s translation:</p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">“He is like someone with a back injury, and forced to hold his neck straight to ease the pain.”</p></blockquote><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">Dr Rabbani writes in the footnote that this is “an approximate translation”. Apparently, in the Baha’i teachings, ‘donkey’ is an approximate translation for ‘someone’!</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">...</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">According to Ahang Rabbani this is how Abdu’l-Baha responded to a Jew he was debating:</p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px 0px 0.357143em; padding: 0px;">“‘Abdu’l-Bahá immediately responded back with the lines,</p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px 0px 0.357143em; padding: 0px;">This faith is true, that a delight!</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">and yet the mob, an ugly sight,</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">Protested it with all their might!</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0px; padding: 0px;">I wish I knew which one was right!</p></blockquote><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0px; padding: 0px;">However, while He was saying, “and yet the mob, an ugly sight,” He was pointing to him with His blessed hand, meaning, “You are that ugly sight who denies these two Dispensations.” (Ahang Rabbani, <a href="http://bahai-library.com/rabbani_reminiscences_khalil_shahidi" rel="nofollow" style="color: #0079d3; margin: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">A Lifetime with ‘Abdu’l-Bahá: Reminiscences of Khalíl Shahídí</a>, pp. 23-24)</p></blockquote><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">The original words (see image below) that Dr Rabbani has translated as “yet the mob, an ugly sight” read as:</p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">"و لکن القوم القبیح"</p></blockquote><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">These words translate to: “But the ugly people/race.” This is the first distortion in the translation. The second distortion occurs in the sentence: “You are that ugly sight.” In the original Farsi, the word translated as ‘You’ has been used in the plural form (shoma-ha) which means Abdu’l-Baha was referring to all Jews not just the person he was conversing with. Abdu’l-Baha directly calls the followers of Judaism an “ugly people/race.” This statement has been clearly distorted in the translation.</p><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">Ironically, Dr Rabbani states that he has made great effort to translate this work precisely and in the style and manner of the original text:</p><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(197, 193, 173); margin: 0.357143em 0px 0.357143em 5px; padding: 0px 8px;"><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">“Since the account is a primary source document, every effort was made to translate it precisely in the style and manner of the original, in hope that by so doing it would convey a flavor of the original text.” (Ahang Rabbani, <a href="http://bahai-library.com/rabbani_reminiscences_khalil_shahidi" rel="nofollow" style="color: #0079d3; margin: 0px; text-decoration-line: none;">A Lifetime with ‘Abdu’l-Bahá: Reminiscences of Khalíl Shahídí</a>, p. 8)</p></blockquote><p style="font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">We’ll leave it to the readers to Judge Dr Rabbani on this statement.</p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/OnThisDateInBahai/comments/17g2519/bahai_history_october_26_on_this_date_in_2013/">https://old.reddit.com/r/OnThisDateInBahai/comments/17g2519/bahai_history_october_26_on_this_date_in_2013/</a> </p>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-72455437668693572752023-09-22T01:20:00.003-07:002023-09-22T01:38:06.257-07:00Replying to Wendy Scott on Youtube.<p></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhtaYnrQ6r6T4ayEchFfwmaJ_gLPU3A0WMfstZngQm-wveVZ8dD58SxJLgIV23EOToGk6S-x_A8ThD4QTM0XGL9Cn1bOyIMIcY_KbohIrBd6UxSBMcL0UbqnUkRl6JtOokVkSqra-mjDEGSmiXgAigNTpFQHHkG2yrYDg5XjdphBAgcrAVCNJY0jdz6/s829/wendy%20scott.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="617" data-original-width="829" height="475" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhtaYnrQ6r6T4ayEchFfwmaJ_gLPU3A0WMfstZngQm-wveVZ8dD58SxJLgIV23EOToGk6S-x_A8ThD4QTM0XGL9Cn1bOyIMIcY_KbohIrBd6UxSBMcL0UbqnUkRl6JtOokVkSqra-mjDEGSmiXgAigNTpFQHHkG2yrYDg5XjdphBAgcrAVCNJY0jdz6/w640-h475/wendy%20scott.jpg" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Wendy Scott</td></tr></tbody></table><br />The following are Wendy Scott's comments, to which I responded. Since my responses are not displayed beneath the video for some reasons, I am posting them here.<p></p><p><b>Wendy's comments:</b></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-kstHTL2m4&lc=Ugw_tgeziVEwRNFPEzZ4AaABAg.9eLJiOSBdfZ9uwcq6Fjcem">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-kstHTL2m4&lc=Ugw_tgeziVEwRNFPEzZ4AaABAg.9eLJiOSBdfZ9uwcq6Fjcem</a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-kstHTL2m4&lc=Ugw_tgeziVEwRNFPEzZ4AaABAg.9eLJiOSBdfZ9uwdJ7K4AfK">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-kstHTL2m4&lc=Ugw_tgeziVEwRNFPEzZ4AaABAg.9eLJiOSBdfZ9uwdJ7K4AfK</a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-kstHTL2m4&lc=Ugw_tgeziVEwRNFPEzZ4AaABAg.9eLJiOSBdfZ9uwf4FPTSzV">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-kstHTL2m4&lc=Ugw_tgeziVEwRNFPEzZ4AaABAg.9eLJiOSBdfZ9uwf4FPTSzV</a></p><p><b>My Replies (parts of Wendy's comments in <span style="color: red;">Red</span>)</b></p><p><a class="yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCwyy8ZUezmgKRZyMj3KtYw" spellcheck="false" style="background-color: white; cursor: pointer; display: var(--yt-endpoint-display,inline-block); font-family: Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; overflow-wrap: var(--yt-endpoint-word-wrap,none); text-decoration: var(--yt-endpoint-text-regular-decoration,none); white-space: pre-wrap; word-break: var(--yt-endpoint-word-break,none);"> @wendyscott8425 </a><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;"> Hi Wendy,
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">Here is my response:</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="bold style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style-target="bold" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; font-size: 14px; font-weight: var(--yt-formatted-string-bold-font-weight,500); margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="color: red;">Nature of Baha'u'llah's claims:</span></span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="italic style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; font-style: italic; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">The precise nature of Bahāʾ Allāh's claims is difficult to establish. The official modern Bahāʾī doctrine rejects any notion of incarnationism and stresses instead his status as a locus of divine manifestation (maẓhar ilāhī), comparable to a mirror with respect to the sun (see Shoghi Effendi The World Order of Bahāʾuʾllāh, rev. ed. [Wilmette, 1969], pp. 112–114). Nevertheless, it is difficult to avoid the suspicion that he himself made much more radical claims than this in parts of his later writings. The following statements are, I think, explicit enough to serve as examples: 'he who speaks in the most great prison (i.e. Acre) is the Creator of all things and the one who brought all names into being' (letter in Bahāʾ Allāh Āthār-i qalam-i aʿlā, vol. 2 [Tehran, n.d., being a repaginated reprint of a collection of writings originally preceded by the Kitāb al-aqdas, first printed Bombay, 1314/1896], p. 177); 'verily, I am God' (letter in Ishrāq Khāvarī Māʾida, vol. 7, p. 208); 'the essence of the pre-existent (dhāt al-qidām) has appeared' (letter to Ḥājī Muḥammad Ibrāhīm Khalīl Qazvīnī in ibid., vol. 8, p. 113); 'he has been born who begets not nor is begotten' ('Lawḥ-i mīlād-i ism-i aʿẓam' in ibid., vol. 4, p. 344, referring to Qurʾān sūra 112); 'the educator of all beings and their creator has appeared in the garment of humanity, but you were not pleased with that until he was imprisoned in this prison' ('Sūrat al-ḥajj' in Bahāʾ Allāh Āthār-i qalam-i aʿlā, vol. 4 [Tehran, 133 badīʿ/1976–77], p. 203).</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">(The Messiah of Shiraz, Brill, 2009, p. 500, note 16.)</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="bold style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style-target="bold" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; font-size: 14px; font-weight: var(--yt-formatted-string-bold-font-weight,500); margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="color: red;">Wonderful experience of being a Baha'i</span></span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">Shua Ullah, the eldest grandson of Baha'u'llah said it best:
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="italic style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; font-style: italic; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">"I personally hesitate to commit myself [to the Baha'i faith] with the existing conditions amongst us, as today we observe only the differences of ideas, lack of cooperation, discord, enmity, selfishness, and hatred—while we should believe that smiles are better than frowns, kindness better than coldness, commendation better than criticism, sympathy better than deception, love better than hate, friendship better than enmity, unity better than discord, and peace better than chaos."</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">(A Lost History of the Baha'i Faith, by Eric Stetson)
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">The hate against different opinions is impregnated in the roots of the Bahá’í Faith. This just came up very early after The Bab's death when followers of Bahá'u'lláh and Subh-i-Azal started to kill each other.
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">The names of a number of Azalis murdered by the Baha'is are given by Edward Browne in the Persian Introduction to Nuqtatul-Kaf, p. 42, and also in New History, pp. XXIII, XXIV, and J.R.A.S. July 1889, p. 517</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="bold style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style-target="bold" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; font-size: 14px; font-weight: var(--yt-formatted-string-bold-font-weight,500); margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="color: red;">The Bab was martyred in 1850.</span></span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">He was hanged for the following reasons:
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">May 5. On this date in 1850 the Bábis of Zanjan rose in arms against the Qajar governor of the town.
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">On March 20, 1848, Mullá Ḥusayn-i-Bushru'i, who in 1844 had become the first person to become a follower of the Báb, visited the Báb at Maku prison, where the Báb was incarcerated.
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">Subsequent to his visit, Mullá Ḥusayn-i-Bushru'i became involved in the Bábi uprisings. Under instructions from the Báb, on July 21, 1848, Mullá Ḥusayn-i-Bushru'i unfurled a Black Standard in Mashhad, fulfilling an Islamic prophecy, and began a march with other Bábis. They were rebuffed at Barfurush and therefore made defensive fortifications at the shrine of Shaykh Tabarsí. Mullá Ḥusayn-i-Bushru'i would die at the battle of Shaykh Tabarsí on February 2, 1849, but siege itself would last until May 10, 1849.
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">The Báb was later executed on July 9, 1850. Bábi uprisings would continue elsewhere in Iran, notably Neyriz and Zanjan.</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="bold style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style-target="bold" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; font-size: 14px; font-weight: var(--yt-formatted-string-bold-font-weight,500); margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="color: red;">It's open every day to visitors.</span></span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">Yes, it is open to visitors but some so-called covenant-breakers were not given good treatment.
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="italic style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; font-style: italic; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">Sometime after I was 'expelled' from the Cause and after the Bab’s shrine on Mount Carmel had been completed, a club of university graduates - chaired by an old friend of my sister's - invited me to talk about the Cause. This I was honoured to do and at the appointed date spoke at that meeting. However, upon leaving the hall, Mr. Mohammad Baha'i and Mr. Mansour, who, at that time worked at the house of Abdul Baha (and were in the service of Shoghi Effendi) came forward, spat in my face and slapping me in the face said 'You are an enemy of the Cause and you give talks about it!?'</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;">(Letter of Ruhi Afnan, published by the website of Abdul Baha's family)</span></p><p><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a class="yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCwyy8ZUezmgKRZyMj3KtYw" spellcheck="false" style="color: #0f0f0f; cursor: pointer; display: var(--yt-endpoint-display,inline-block); overflow-wrap: var(--yt-endpoint-word-wrap,none); text-decoration: var(--yt-endpoint-text-regular-decoration,none); word-break: var(--yt-endpoint-word-break,none);"> @wendyscott8425 </a><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> </span><span class="bold style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style-target="bold" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; font-weight: var(--yt-formatted-string-bold-font-weight,500); margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="color: red;">It is very UNcultish.</span></span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">No. It IS cultish.
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Here are some of the cult-like tendencies in the Baha'i Faith that are not found in other major religions:
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">1. Each Baha'i has a 'membership card' with a membership number
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">2. Strict censorship and approval process for new books
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">3. Punishments against individuals for perceived infractions include deprivation of voting rights and potential ostracism and shunning
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">4. Ban on Baha'i Studies courses to prevent hierarchy formation perceived as a threat to the administrative structure
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">5. Suppression of Baha'i academics who don't follow the party line and agenda
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">6. Misuse of the notion of "unity" to silence and penalise divergent views
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">7. Discouragement from reporting misconduct of individual members in the interests of "unity" and public image
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">8. Selective translation of literature to control information and maintain a marketable narrative despite internal contradictions
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">9. Revisionist edits in new editions of books (e.g. removal of failed prophecies and intolerant language)
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">10. Frequent fundraising for projects to enhance global image</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span style="color: red;"><span class="bold style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style-target="bold" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; font-weight: var(--yt-formatted-string-bold-font-weight,500); margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">The Bahá'í Faith is not a sect of Islam but an independent world religion</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span></span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">It was portrayed as a sect of Islam to the Sunni Muslims in Ottoman territories, until the time Shoghi Effendi made it very clear that it is a new religion.
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="italic style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-style: italic; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">"...both Baha’u’llah and his son and successor made efforts to appear palatable to Sunni Muslim authorities in Palestine. Both frequented Friday prayers at local mosques and both dressed and were bearded in the manner of many Muslim clerics. In addition, neither taught or propagated the tenets of their faith among Palestinian Muslims, apparently to avoid causing offense."</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">(Randall S. Geller, The Baha’i minority in the State of Israel, 1948–1957)</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span style="color: red;"><span class="bold style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style-target="bold" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; font-weight: var(--yt-formatted-string-bold-font-weight,500); margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">we believe our Faith has solutions for today's problems.</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span></span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Incorrect. Baha'is believe their Faith is the </span><span class="bold style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style-target="bold" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-weight: var(--yt-formatted-string-bold-font-weight,500); margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">ONLY</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> solution.
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="italic style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-style: italic; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">"The believers should, therefore, seize this opportunity to make a supreme effort to present, in convincing and eloquent language, those social and humanitarian teachings of the Faith which we believe to constitute the sole panacea for the innumerable ills afflicting our present-day world."</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">(Shoghi Effendi in Directives from the Guardian)</span></span></p><p><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><a class="yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCwyy8ZUezmgKRZyMj3KtYw" spellcheck="false" style="color: #0f0f0f; cursor: pointer; display: var(--yt-endpoint-display,inline-block); overflow-wrap: var(--yt-endpoint-word-wrap,none); text-decoration: var(--yt-endpoint-text-regular-decoration,none); word-break: var(--yt-endpoint-word-break,none);"> @wendyscott8425 </a><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> </span><span class="bold style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style-target="bold" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; font-weight: var(--yt-formatted-string-bold-font-weight,500); margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="color: red;">So you were a "follower" of all this before? Hmmm....</span></span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Yes, I was and I have read quite a few writings of the so-called covenant-breakers also.</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span style="color: red;"><span class="bold style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style-target="bold" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; font-weight: var(--yt-formatted-string-bold-font-weight,500); margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">We worship God, not Bahá'u'lláh.</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span></span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Prof. Juan Cole found this species of Baha'is in the UK.
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="italic style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-style: italic; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">One faction of Iranian emigrants to the U.K. in the 1980s and early 1990s led by a Cambridge-trained Iranian scholar even developed a doctrine that Baha'u'llah was the Godhead who had sent the other prophets.</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">(Juan Cole, Review of Religious Research, Vol. 43, no. 3 (March, 2002))</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span style="color: red;"><span class="bold style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style-target="bold" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; font-weight: var(--yt-formatted-string-bold-font-weight,500); margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">His 40 years of suffering at the hands of the Persian and Ottoman Empires.</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span></span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">His followers were mainly responsible for much of whatever they had to face. Here is one example:
</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
</span><span class="italic style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-style: italic; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Disregarding the reiterated injunctions of Baha'u'llah, seven of the exiles (Baha'is) decided to rid their community of its tormentors. They spoke to no one of their abominable plan. One night, when all was quiet in the town, they managed to enter the home of the adherents of Mirza Yahya and slew them. With Siyyid Muhammad and Aqa-Jan Big perished a recent recruit to their circle, Mirza Rida-Quliy-i-Tafrishi. This third victim had time and again broken his word, and all ties between him and the followers of Baha'u'llah had finally been severed.</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
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</span><span class="italic style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; font-style: italic; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Immediately pandemonium broke loose. The whole city was roused. People felt unsafe. Such were the fears of the populace that 'Abbud, whose house adjoined the residence of Baha'u'llah, added to the thickness of the walls separating the two houses.</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
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</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">('Abdu'l-Baha - The Centre of the Covenant of Baha'u'llah by H. M. Balyuzi)</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
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</span><span style="color: red;"><span class="bold style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style-target="bold" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; font-weight: var(--yt-formatted-string-bold-font-weight,500); margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Bahá'u'lláh is the sender of all the prophets of the past and the revealer of all those Revelations</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
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</span><span class="style-scope yt-formatted-string" dir="auto" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; color: #0f0f0f; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">I have already given you proofs about his different claims.</span></span></span></p>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-12990593685538029452023-06-23T02:10:00.005-07:002023-06-23T02:10:35.722-07:00BAHA'I FAITH IS A CULT AND CONDONES SEXUAL ASSAULT AND GROOMING<div style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhMG5KKRjpdwYZWfWjGpIOaC4pOVRQw9aAYWuZl8sgt_B8DvsLYjSh9PHt0ICMwBVdQHMIhAX6KVvtxBAirDKbPt0XKfrS7QUx26ULZH-YQSBfVvgp5Nsn4GW1x1JgBgFxkMbwbQfdgkPj91MTM-au7-k-OIt0tzB3Kfo6hZpcZNTKrBFX0BqwvaauQ0w/s1240/image_2023-06-19_145024972.png"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhMG5KKRjpdwYZWfWjGpIOaC4pOVRQw9aAYWuZl8sgt_B8DvsLYjSh9PHt0ICMwBVdQHMIhAX6KVvtxBAirDKbPt0XKfrS7QUx26ULZH-YQSBfVvgp5Nsn4GW1x1JgBgFxkMbwbQfdgkPj91MTM-au7-k-OIt0tzB3Kfo6hZpcZNTKrBFX0BqwvaauQ0w/w640-h330/image_2023-06-19_145024972.png" /></a></div><br />This is the story of my experience in the Baha'i community:<br /><br /><div>I started participating as a JY facilitator after looking for extracurricular activities that would look good on my college applications. I was 15 turning 16 and never heard of the faith but was intrigued by their values and actions. I cared that they were part of the community, mainly working within a Latiné neighborhood. Everyone was extremely caring and hospitable. We worked out of a community house where 5 women in their late 20s lived but anyone could come and go and utilize the space. I soon started going more often than once a week outside of the weekly JY meetings. They cooked food for everyone, held gatherings where I could meet new people and I was invited to their fully paid overnight camps. Of course, I wanted to participate more in everything they offered, I was an impressionable teenager from a complicated home life. So I began working almost every day of the week volunteering my hours and practically living in the house. I should say that I have never been religious, even through my Catholic childhood and all the bahai propaganda I was subjected to, I will remain an atheist.<br /><br />Eventually, I met a 20-year-old woman who had just left college and couldn't return to her family home, so she moved into the house. Soon after she moved in our relationship became flirtatious and romantic. She knew I was still in high school and 15 at the time. We were left alone in the house and it became obvious to the other women in the house that a romantic relationship had sparked between us. Today, I do not refer to this situation as a mutual, romantic relationship. I was groomed by an older person and used when I was new to my sexuality and to sex. The older women in charge of the house knew about this and never spoke with me. They spoke with the groomer but she continued to hurt me after they spoke with her. It wasn't until much later that I understood what happened to me and the reaction and abuse of power by the people caring for underage kids.<br /><br />Before I left for college, one of the women living in the house, who was also a trusted friend (a bahai but not active in the faith), explained that she was raped by another bahai in the house around the same time I was groomed. She was younger than most of the other women living in the house so she asked for advice from another, older roommate. Her response was for my friend to forgive the rapist. Nothing ever came out of the situation, charges were never pressed against him and he continued to work with women and children.<br /><br />I do not tolerate anyone condoning or refusing to hold a rapist accountable. As a woman, I will never understand how another person, especially another woman, could excuse any sexual abuse. She was raped around the same time I came into the faith and I was only discovering this by the end of my participation. After she told me, I completely ghosted every person in the bahai community without explaining to anyone why I left.<br /><br />Throughout 3 years I was involved with the bahai community, I witness clear proselytization, abuse of power, cult-like actions (bahais only associating themselves with other bahais, manipulation, the emphasis on global unity through the faith), grooming, SA, hypocrisy, etc.<br /><br />The reason for this post is to share with people my experience. Even if a couple of years have passed since I was in the community, all of their actions still haunt me and I feel for anyone else hurt by the reckless and contradicting behavior of the people who call themselves "bahais". The people who were meant to protect and care for children and teens still contact me today and have not owned up to their cruelty.<br /><br />Source : <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/149sz7k/bahai_faith_is_a_cult_and_condones_sa/">https://www.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/149sz7k/bahai_faith_is_a_cult_and_condones_sa/</a></div>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-60600008951593521542023-04-19T02:00:00.002-07:002023-04-19T02:00:00.205-07:00"In this Dispensation, divine guidance flows on to us in this world after the Prophet’s ascension, through first the Master, and then the Guardians."While the Guardianship was to be a perpetual institution of the Administrative Order, it ceased to exist after the death of Shoghi Effendi because he died having violated Bahá'u'lláh's command in the Kitáb-i-Aqdas that <a href="http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/KA/ka-6.html#pg59">"Unto everyone hath been enjoined the writing of a will."</a> Having no children of his own and having declared every living male descendant of Bahá'u'lláh a Covenant-breaker, Shoghi Effendi left no eligible candidates for the office of Guardian, posing a serious problem given his assertion that <a href="http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/se/DG/dg-89.html.utf8?query=in%7Cthis%7Cdispensation&action=highlight#gr1">"In this Dispensation, divine guidance flows on to us in this world after the Prophet’s ascension, through first the Master, and then the Guardians."</a> He had <a href="http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/se/WOB/wob-40.html.utf8?query=divorced&action=highlight#gr14">furthermore stated in The World Order of Bahá’u’lláh that</a>...<br /><br /><blockquote>Divorced from the institution of the Guardianship the World Order of Bahá’u’lláh would be mutilated and permanently deprived of that hereditary principle which, as ‘Abdu’l-Bahá has written, has been invariably upheld by the Law of God. “In all the Divine Dispensations,” He states, in a Tablet addressed to a follower of the Faith in Persia, “the eldest son hath been given extraordinary distinctions. Even the station of prophethood hath been his birthright.” Without such an institution the integrity of the Faith would be imperiled, and the stability of the entire fabric would be gravely endangered. Its prestige would suffer, the means required to enable it to take a long, an uninterrupted view over a series of generations would be completely lacking, and the necessary guidance to define the sphere of the legislative action of its elected representatives would be totally withdrawn.</blockquote><br /><br />So fundamental was the office of the Guardianship, that <a href="http://bahai-library.com/salisbury_critical_examination_literature">Bahá’í literature was significantly altered</a> subsequent to Shoghi Effendi's death, with the notable removal of references to "The First Guardian of the Bahá'í Faith," the "first and present Guardian," and "the lineage of succeeding Guardians." In some cases, references to the Guardian have been replaced or amended with "the Universal House of Justice" and in other instances references to the duties of the Guardian that were in the present tense have been changed to the past tense, indicating that the Guardianship has ceased.<br /><br />From 'Abdu'l-Bahá's <a href="http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/WT/wt-1.html#pg12">Will and Testament</a>...<br /><br /><blockquote>O ye beloved of the Lord! It is incumbent upon the Guardian of the Cause of God to appoint in his own life-time him that shall become his successor, that differences may not arise after his passing. He that is appointed must manifest in himself detachment from all worldly things, must be the essence of purity, must show in himself the fear of God, knowledge, wisdom and learning. Thus, should the first-born of the Guardian of the Cause of God not manifest in himself the truth of the words:—“The child is the secret essence of its sire,” that is, should he not inherit of the spiritual within him (the Guardian of the Cause of God) and his glorious lineage not be matched with a goodly character, then must he, (the Guardian of the Cause of God) choose another <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aghs%C3%A1n">branch</a> to succeed him." </blockquote><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/129fb9f/biggest_theological_problems_in_bahai_teaching/ ">https://www.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/129fb9f/biggest_theological_problems_in_bahai_teaching/ </a></p>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-67943484677181817072023-03-14T12:00:00.001-07:002023-03-14T12:00:00.213-07:00A list of some censored books on the Baha'i Faith<p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj6tH4ehSadDB1ZjMc6kTJMzqkPN644xqlIlBmTOcqKShGZKdX_0uYZNBgzJfe32irV5E874jw9r9OU7ha_H1NhfcpwtUVOjkQeQ926wd8zsTAjZPnUFGs464TY0Jq5skHOCurgRiAM5faxCNYb37-p_iPV-coXlFx43CNKqlQXjvx-n_1F8g_Dbg/s1461/50054909.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1461" data-original-width="875" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj6tH4ehSadDB1ZjMc6kTJMzqkPN644xqlIlBmTOcqKShGZKdX_0uYZNBgzJfe32irV5E874jw9r9OU7ha_H1NhfcpwtUVOjkQeQ926wd8zsTAjZPnUFGs464TY0Jq5skHOCurgRiAM5faxCNYb37-p_iPV-coXlFx43CNKqlQXjvx-n_1F8g_Dbg/w240-h400/50054909.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Kitab-i-Nuqtatu'l-Kaf</td></tr></tbody></table><span style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Here's a list of some censored books on the Baha'i Faith. These books were all suppressed by the Baha'i authorities, and in some cases, the authors were killed.</span></p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">It would be great to see a more organised effort to distribute and translate these Persian works. Please feel free to add to the list, or share translations if you are aware of any.</p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"></p><ul style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; list-style-image: initial; list-style-position: initial; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 40px;"><li style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;">Nuqtatu'l-Kaf</span><ul style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; list-style: disc; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 40px;"><li style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-size: 1em !important; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Nuqtatu'l-Kaf is a book that was originally published in 1851 but was suppressed in Iran. It contains material that is hostile to the Baha'i Faith. When E.G. Browne published the book with Persian and English introductions, a number of Baha'i scholars worked on refutations of the book, including Siyyid Mahdi Gulpaygani and Mirza Abu'l-Fadl. The book was discovered by E.G. Browne in Paris and published by him. This horrified Baha'i leaders who accused him of having become an Azali and of receiving a bribe from them to publish the book.</li></ul></li><li style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;">The Philosophy of Niku (Filsifa-i-Niku)</span><ul style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; list-style: disc; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 40px;"><li style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-size: 1em !important; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Even after he had given up the Baha’i faith, the Baha’is of Teheran continued to claim him as one of their own, and Niku was forced to write several volumes in Persian entitled “The Philosophy of Niku,” to prove that he had left the movement. In an able and interesting manner, Niku described the things which he had seen and heard which disillusioned him, such as the worldly ambition of Abdu’l-Baha, his greed for money, and his flattering epistles to great and wealthy people whom he hoped to win as disciples.</li></ul></li><li style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;">Hash Bihisht (The Eight Paradises)</span><ul style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; list-style: disc; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 40px;"><li style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-size: 1em !important; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">The Hasht Bihisht is a book written by two sons-in-law of Subh-i-Azal, which contains the teachings and sayings of Haji Sayyid Jawad of Karbala, who was among the first Letters of the Living in the Bayan hierarchy. The book's preface discusses the virtues and claims of the Bayan religion over all other religions, while the body of the work consists of eight chapters dealing with the practice of the Bayan religion and the events of the Day of Resurrection. The book also contains an Elucidation of the Direful Mischief, which refers to the secession between the Azalis and the Bahais, and ends with a narrative of a visit to Acre by one of the people of the Bayan, Mirza Aqa Khan of Kerman, who was also one of the co-authors of the book. The work is considered a systematic treatise in the philosophy, theory, ethics, morality, and history of the Bayan religion.</li></ul></li><li style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;">Kitab-i-Subhi</span><ul style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; list-style: disc; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 40px;"><li style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-size: 1em !important; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">The Kitab-i-Subhi, written by Mirza Subhi, a former Persian scribe to Sir Abbas Effendi and a Bahai missionary. He wrote two books explaining why he left the Baha'i faith.</li></ul></li><li style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;">Kashf-al-Hiyal (Exposure of Deception)</span><ul style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; list-style: disc; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 40px;"><li style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-size: 1em !important; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">The book Kashf-al-Hiyal was written by Abd-al-Husayn Avarih, who was a Bahá'í and had also written the Kavakibu'd-Durriyyih, an important history of the Bahá'í Faith. However, he later left the Bahá'í Faith and wrote the Kashf-al-Hiyal in three volumes. In the book, he related how he became a Bahá'í and why he defected. He also mentioned that while writing the history of the movement, Abdu’l-Baha forced him to misrepresent the facts. Avarih was a member of the Hands of the Cause and a prominent Bahá'í missionary who was greatly revered by the Bahá'ís. He served Shoghi Efendi for a number of years and was sent by him to Europe to make converts but later left the movement. In Kashf-al-Hiyal, Avarih confirmed the account of Hasht-Bihisht and added that the assassins of Baha's brother Mirza Musa were Ustad Muhammad Ali the Barber and his accomplices.</li></ul></li><li style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; 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font-size: 1em; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;">Tanbihun-Naimin</span></li><ul style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; list-style: disc; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 40px;"><li style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-size: 1em !important; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">The Tanbihun-Naimin, also known as The Awakening of the Sleepers, is a book comprising four parts. The first part is a facsimile of a letter from Abdul Baha to his aunt known as Khanum-i-Buzurg, urging her to believe in Baha and to renounce his half-brother Subh-i-Azal. The second part is a long reply from Khanum-i-Buzurg, commonly called Risala-i Amma, containing historical and biographical information about the Bahais, particularly during the Baghdad period and the schism between the Bahais and Azalis. The reply rebuts the claims of Baha'u'llah. The third part is a homily in Arabic followed by a refutation in Persian, both by Mirza Ahmad of Kerman. The fourth part is a facsimile of the Will and Testament of Baha, with the preamble and concluding notes in Baha's handwriting and the body of the will in his secretary's handwriting.</li></ul></ul><span style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14px;"><div><span style="color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14px;"><br /></span></span></div><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/11pev32/censored_books_on_the_bahai_faith/">https://www.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/11pev32/censored_books_on_the_bahai_faith/</a></span></span>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-54502231826239977762023-03-08T10:30:00.003-08:002023-03-08T10:30:00.220-08:00Baha'u'llah - A Serial Murderer<p></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXfr7gNPvMNbL50EHAxyTI0cqGLoVhovY-LNGuB1i_P53uiw_GgvcTz7NSTJQ2bVcnkT-W0zhqo_KMZJU3WAB8140B7RXZi2xa6GByEHOYRQU5Xg05tw1y_V1BaZdLEruespC9YPd1ztv907MrctJdD-K9acpD04yHILqYmA7hSLqNHVa25lH_og/s1298/bahaullah%20knife%20blood.jpeg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1298" data-original-width="948" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXfr7gNPvMNbL50EHAxyTI0cqGLoVhovY-LNGuB1i_P53uiw_GgvcTz7NSTJQ2bVcnkT-W0zhqo_KMZJU3WAB8140B7RXZi2xa6GByEHOYRQU5Xg05tw1y_V1BaZdLEruespC9YPd1ztv907MrctJdD-K9acpD04yHILqYmA7hSLqNHVa25lH_og/w293-h400/bahaullah%20knife%20blood.jpeg" width="293" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Baha'u'llah</td></tr></tbody></table><span face="verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif" style="color: #222222; font-size: 14px;"><p>It's known that Baha'u'llah's ambitions for leadership created a trail of homicides across the Middle East, several of which are acknowledged even by Baha'i sources.</p></span><p></p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">Baha'u'llah was involved in upwards of 20 homicides, including prominent Babis who didn't accept his claims to be HWGSMM and Azalis who opposed him. This is not to count Baha'u'llah's involvement in organising military insurgencies where many hundreds died.</p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">Is there a complete list of the known victims of these crimes?</p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;">Here are a few I've gathered:</p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Hajji Mirza Ahmad of Kashan</span> -- murdered in Baghdad, author of the early Babi history Kitab-i Nuqtat al-Kaf, a Babi who was loyal to Subh-i-Azal</p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Mirza `Alī Muhammad Sarrāj</span> -- murdered in Baghdad by stabbing, author of a book opposing the claim that Baha'u'llah was HWGSMM</p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Sayyid Ismail Zawareh</span> -- murdered in Baghdad, his throat was cut and the knife placed in his hand to make it look self-inflicted</p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Aqa Ali Muhammad</span> -- murdered in Baghdad, a brother-in-law of the Bab</p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Aqa Abul Jasim of Kashan</span> -- murdered in Baghdad, "because he had reported to Subh-i Azal that he heard that Baha’s pretension was that he was the return of the Imam Hussein"</p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Mullā Rajab `Alī (Qahir)</span> -- murdered in Karbala, brother of Sarraj and a supporter of Subh-i-Azal. He was murdered with a revolver by a Baha'i man called Nasur the Arab.</p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Aqa Sayyid Ali the Arab</span> -- murdered in Tabriz</p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Mirza Nasrullah</span> -- murdered in Edirne, the brother-in-law of Subh-i-Azal</p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Mulla Rajab Ali Qahir</span> -- murdered in Karbala, a brother-in-law of the Bab</p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Haji Mirza Muhammad Rida</span> -- murdered in Akka, maternal uncle of Haji Sayyid Muhammad of Isfahan</p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Sayyid Muhammad Isfahani</span> -- murdered in Akka, a supporter of Subh-i-Azal, seven Baha'is were convicted and jailed</p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Aqa Jan Kaj-Kulah</span> -- murdered in Akka, a supporter of Subh-i-Azal, seven Baha'is were convicted and jailed</p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Mirza Rida-Quli Tafrishi</span> -- murdered in Akka, a supporter of Subh-i-Azal, seven Baha'is were convicted and jailed</p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Muhammad Khan</span> -- murdered in Akka, murdered in the Carawansaray of corn-sellers, buried in a shallow grave and discovered by authorities</p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; font-style: inherit; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px;">Hajji Ibrahim</span> -- murdered in Akka, murdered in the Carawansaray of corn-sellers, buried in a shallow grave and discovered by authorities</p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; color: #222222; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.42857em; margin: 0.357143em 0px 0px; padding: 0px;">Source : <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/11jgnv4/bahaullah_a_serial_murderer/">https://www.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/11jgnv4/bahaullah_a_serial_murderer/</a></p>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-70239989105257711762023-03-06T23:05:00.007-08:002023-04-05T03:02:16.987-07:00Baha'i cultists remove two quotes from Ruhi Book-1 to make it more tolerant!<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgASOb7lLCh7V76KGT4qwLoMcX7aRJb2fTPaE_fAh3V8eJgxHezZrB6bpYQzFjO6rvuFMYM1JZJt6expRpZ-SM_1kPbQOxNaIADezPcQj9d1MQ10TaSY832Ffg7iXD7l3Qz40exYUB9N_wD1m1zb-uoSovqvEo6vhUdDjSGtXW5wmAWthkxMkUVKw/s499/ruhi%20book%201%20cover.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="499" data-original-width="388" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgASOb7lLCh7V76KGT4qwLoMcX7aRJb2fTPaE_fAh3V8eJgxHezZrB6bpYQzFjO6rvuFMYM1JZJt6expRpZ-SM_1kPbQOxNaIADezPcQj9d1MQ10TaSY832Ffg7iXD7l3Qz40exYUB9N_wD1m1zb-uoSovqvEo6vhUdDjSGtXW5wmAWthkxMkUVKw/w311-h400/ruhi%20book%201%20cover.jpg" width="311" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div>The Baha'i administration has been actively deceiving simple minded people to join their cult through various means, including through the Core Activities.</div><div><div><br /></div><div>Ruhi Book-1 is the first book taught in a Ruhi Study Circle and introduces basic concepts and principles of the Baha'i Faith. It is designed to help "seekers" (potential Baha'is) understand the teachings of the Baha'i Faith and explore its relevance to their lives!</div><div><br /></div><div>Recently, two quotes were removed from the latest revised edition of Ruhi Book-1. These quotes were deemed inappropriate by the Baha'i administration and were removed to make the book more tolerant and welcoming to "seekers". The quotes in question are:</div><div><br /></div><div><b>"Whoso hath failed to recognize Him will have condemned himself to the misery of remoteness, a remoteness which is naught but utter nothingness and the essence of the nethermost fire."</b></div><div><b><br /></b></div><div><b>"The souls of the infidels, however, shall—and to this I bear witness—when breathing their last be made aware of the good things that have escaped them, and shall bemoan their plight, and shall humble themselves before God. They shall continue doing so after the separation of their souls from their bodies.”</b></div><div><br /></div><div>While it is understandable that the Baha'i cultists wants to present a more tolerant and welcoming image to seekers, the removal of these quotes raises questions about the authenticity of the teachings of the Baha'i Faith. It is important to note that these quotes were part of the original teachings of the Baha'i Faith and were included in previous editions of Ruhi Book-1!</div><div><br /></div><div>This approach involves presenting a rosy picture of the Baha'i faith to attract interested individuals, while ignoring or censoring certain quotes and teachings from the original writings of the Baha'i central figures.</div><div><br /></div><div>There is a growing concern among some Baha'is that the Baha'i administration is hiding certain aspects of the faith and only presenting a sanitized version of the teachings to the Baha'is of western countries. This concern has led to many Baha'i scholars leaving the faith, as they feel that the censorship policy goes against the principles of transparency and honesty.</div><div><br /></div><div>It is essential that the Baha'i community and its administration recognize the importance of presenting the teachings of the Baha'i faith in an honest and transparent manner. This includes acknowledging and addressing uncomfortable or controversial aspects of the faith, not hiding or censoring them.</div></div>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-51900175766090569292023-03-03T02:30:00.002-08:002023-03-18T07:33:57.200-07:00With over 110 years of activity there are only 300 Baha'is in Mumbai, India.<h3 style="text-align: left;"><b>History of the Baha'i faith in Bombay, India: </b></h3>The first Baha'is in Mumbai were members of the Afnan family, who had set up a business in the city. In 1872, the Afnans requested Baha’u’llah to send a teacher to Mumbai. Jamal Effendi was sent in response to this request and arrived in Mumbai in 1883. <br /><br />Over time, many prominent people taught the Baha'i faith in Mumbai, including Mirza Mohammed Ali, the son of Baha'u'llah, and Mirza Hadi Shirazi, the father of Shoghi Effendi. These individuals, who later broke the so-called Covenant of Baha'u'llah, played an important role in spreading the Baha'i faith throughout the city. <br /><br />Additionally, the Afnan family established a printing press in Mumbai, which was used to print Arabic and Persian Baha'i books. These books were then shipped to other regions, including Persia and Egypt, to help spread the teachings of the Baha'i faith even further. In general, the initial phase of the Baha'i faith in Mumbai was defined by the endeavors of a notable group of people who worked towards persuading the Indians to accept the Baha'i faith. Subsequently, the formation of the first Local Spiritual Assembly took place in Bombay in 1911.<div><br /></div><div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgPNGUDCIapiOYIgrcnwB1h_UzA9qNIHlP1PY2UIYhfXXuEYS9dR6OMUm5nmKYJjFV4PS6Dl0Oez4gi5S-EUJP7a-WM1DWfYYNPtsZjs_X7CnABFvZPbVsG2uBF9fc-pWjC4wNyq-3bgBTDwI9_TAo_kRJBS1UDYcWj7f-ix2LOSA5v0aGrl5gSgg/s918/mumbai%20bahais%20in%201932.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="608" data-original-width="918" height="424" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgPNGUDCIapiOYIgrcnwB1h_UzA9qNIHlP1PY2UIYhfXXuEYS9dR6OMUm5nmKYJjFV4PS6Dl0Oez4gi5S-EUJP7a-WM1DWfYYNPtsZjs_X7CnABFvZPbVsG2uBF9fc-pWjC4wNyq-3bgBTDwI9_TAo_kRJBS1UDYcWj7f-ix2LOSA5v0aGrl5gSgg/w640-h424/mumbai%20bahais%20in%201932.jpg" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Bombay Baha'i Community in 1932</td></tr></tbody></table><br />Several other important figures who visited Mumbai (formerly known as Bombay) to encourage local Baha'is to teach their religion, were Hands of the Cause, including Mr. Faizi, Dr. Mohajer, Dorothy Baker, Mr. Samandari, Mr. Khazeh, and Mr. Khadem.</div><div><br /></div><div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjoOIzGr5K6ILnxdGS7JG4BRRHj0xbEEmqhdHnBc_5OvHFQ26tiI8naCWfvxhBX-Rkp7aWGBPkPeJK3-gRYUNM8rbs3jnNI97rqrApLu-QoS89ueORE2TsKx_2I9hKi7DuIfjo9Zxb5GFCFKq8SEMguRbgHmb1anRXAHQotDKwmnuq4V6yc-F0lBQ/s672/mumbai%20bahais%201973%20(2).jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="372" data-original-width="672" height="354" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjoOIzGr5K6ILnxdGS7JG4BRRHj0xbEEmqhdHnBc_5OvHFQ26tiI8naCWfvxhBX-Rkp7aWGBPkPeJK3-gRYUNM8rbs3jnNI97rqrApLu-QoS89ueORE2TsKx_2I9hKi7DuIfjo9Zxb5GFCFKq8SEMguRbgHmb1anRXAHQotDKwmnuq4V6yc-F0lBQ/w640-h354/mumbai%20bahais%201973%20(2).jpg" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Ruhiyyih Khanum visited Bombay in 1973</td></tr></tbody></table><br />In addition to the visits from the Hands of the Cause, Ruhiyyih Khanum, the wife of Shoghi Effendi, visited Bombay for a conference in 1973. This was an important event for the local Baha'i community, as Ruhiyyih Khanum was a highly respected and influential figure for the Baha'is, and her visit likely served to inspire and encourage them in Mumbai. <br /><br /><h3 style="text-align: left;">What is the current situation of the Baha'i community in Mumbai? </h3><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgPJTWwPex2tS9nQ_SSYWAg1PsZq2jPgaXpbNbaw-nPmjQd4zl-2hsI5C-I57GM_e8p9QuMzH_61Zg2VYEdTH3mJDhuGG0C0B8zsF4KmSUyUrHsHUO8jDzEyKbEyvwFdR9uvtVeCYX3cVyPGvykOorRAde0KDWDmGw9LZhUxHvfc9adrqYorRDN4A/s1280/mumbai%20baha'is.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="720" data-original-width="1280" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgPJTWwPex2tS9nQ_SSYWAg1PsZq2jPgaXpbNbaw-nPmjQd4zl-2hsI5C-I57GM_e8p9QuMzH_61Zg2VYEdTH3mJDhuGG0C0B8zsF4KmSUyUrHsHUO8jDzEyKbEyvwFdR9uvtVeCYX3cVyPGvykOorRAde0KDWDmGw9LZhUxHvfc9adrqYorRDN4A/w640-h360/mumbai%20baha'is.jpg" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Bombay Baha'i Community celebrating the festival of Ridvan</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div>We received an email from a disenchanted senior Baha'i residing in Mumbai, which stated that the number of Baha'is in the city are currently below 200 in number. According to the letter, a vast majority of individuals who were once Baha'is, just like the descendants of Baha'u'llah, have now converted to other religions. It was also mentioned that only a small group of less than 70 active Baha'is currently participate in the Ridvan Elections.</div><br /><h3 style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #cc0000;">What is the cause of this downfall? </span></h3>While most religions are based on faith and spirituality, there are some cults that rely on deceit and manipulation to draw in new members. Baha'i faith is one such cult that exaggerates the size of its membership and claims to be a “world religion”. Baha'i faith is a prime example of how a cult can be used to manipulate and deceive people. <br /><br />At the heart of the Baha'i faith is a false claim that it has millions of members worldwide. This number is far greater than the actual number of members, which is likely in the thousands. To bolster this claim, Baha'is have used clever marketing strategies to make it seem larger than it really is. For example, it has created numerous websites and other online presences, all of which purport to represent it's worldwide membership. <br /><br />In addition to exaggerating the size of its membership, Baha'is also use deceptive tactics to lure people into joining. Baha'i faith makes false promises of unity of religion and the unity of mankind. It promises that the membership will bring about the most great peace! <br /><br /><h3 style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #cc0000;">Lies exposed: </span></h3>The truth always has a way of coming out, and in the case of the Baha'i faith, their lies have finally been exposed. In 2017, the Indian Express published a news by the Baha'is claiming that there are 2500-3000 Baha'is in Mumbai. However, in 2023, the cult has been exposed as having only 300 members. (Check the report by Free Press Journal on Ayyan-i-Ha celebrations in Mumbai). In 2019 also, there were only 300 Baha'is! (Check DNA report) This significant difference in numbers begs the question: what else has this cult been lying about? <br /><br />It is not uncommon for the Baha'is to lie about the size of their communities or the success of their Institute Process to keep their members and potential new recruits hooked. In this case, the cult's lies about its membership numbers are a clear indication of its manipulative tactics. <br /><br /><b>Sources: </b><br /><br />2023 - <a href="https://www.freepressjournal.in/mumbai/mumbai-four-days-of-spirituality-charity-mark-intercalary-days-for-bahais">https://www.freepressjournal.in/mumbai/mumbai-four-days-of-spirituality-charity-mark-intercalary-days-for-bahais</a> <br /><br />2019 - <a href="https://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report-mumbai-bahais-spend-time-in-prayers-fast-for-spiritual-nourishment-2726496">https://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report-mumbai-bahais-spend-time-in-prayers-fast-for-spiritual-nourishment-2726496</a> <br /><br />2017 - <a href="https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/bahai-founders-200th-birth-anniversary-today-4900699/">https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/bahai-founders-200th-birth-anniversary-today-4900699/</a> <br /><br /> </div>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-24120686257155739132023-02-28T10:30:00.001-08:002023-02-28T22:44:42.537-08:00Another Haifan Baha'i Gets Busted on Reddit<p> <span style="background-color: white; 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--tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: 700; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">A subreddit devoted to religion in general got a post from a Muslim about the Baha’i Faith.</span></p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: #323232; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; 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--tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: #323232; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-stretch: inherit; font-variant-east-asian: inherit; font-variant-numeric: inherit; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: 700; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">But among the comments there was a verbal tennis match between trident, a Unitarian Baha’i, and FrenchBread, a Haifan Baha’i.</span></p><div class="-Xcv3XBXmgiY2X5RqaPbO _1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt _3LqBzV8aCO9tge99jHiUGy" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; 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font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.1s ease-in 0s; vertical-align: baseline;" target="_blank">r/bahai</a></span></div><div style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">________________</div><div style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; 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margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><div id="UserInfoTooltip--t1_iy3bs23" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: purple; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><a class="wM6scouPXXsFDSZmZPHRo DjcdNGtVXPcxG0yiFXIoZ _23wugcdiaj44hdfugIAlnX" href="https://www.reddit.com/user/trident765/" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: purple; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.1s ease-in 0s; vertical-align: baseline;">trident765</a></span></div></div></div><div class="_3XoW0oYd5806XiOr24gGdb" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; 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outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Baha’i</span></div></div><div class="-Xcv3XBXmgiY2X5RqaPbO _1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: purple; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><a class="_3t5uN8xUmg0TOwRCOGQEcU" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Freespeechbahai/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: purple; font-family: inherit; font-size: revert; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.1s ease-in 0s; vertical-align: baseline;" target="_blank">r/Freespeechbahai</a><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: revert; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"> for alternative Bahai perspectives</span></span></div><div class="_3cjCphgls6DH-irkVaA0GM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; 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--tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">________________</p><div class="-Xcv3XBXmgiY2X5RqaPbO _1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt _3LqBzV8aCO9tge99jHiUGy" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><div class="_3QEK34iVL1BjyHAVleVVNQ" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><div class="_2mHuuvyV9doV3zwbZPtIPG" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><div id="UserInfoTooltip--t1_iy4qc0l" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><a class="wM6scouPXXsFDSZmZPHRo DjcdNGtVXPcxG0yiFXIoZ _23wugcdiaj44hdfugIAlnX" href="https://www.reddit.com/user/FrenchBread5941/" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.1s ease-in 0s; vertical-align: baseline;">FrenchBread5941</a></span></div></div></div><div class="_3XoW0oYd5806XiOr24gGdb" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font-family: inherit; font-size: revert; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">you aren’t even a Baha’i</span></div><div style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">________________</span></div><div style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><div class="-Xcv3XBXmgiY2X5RqaPbO _1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><div class="_3QEK34iVL1BjyHAVleVVNQ" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; 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--tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: purple; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.1s ease-in 0s; vertical-align: baseline;">trident765</a></span></div></div></div><div class="_3XoW0oYd5806XiOr24gGdb" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: purple; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Baha’i</span></div></div><div class="_3cjCphgls6DH-irkVaA0GM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; 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margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Yes I am</span></p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">_______________</p><div class="-Xcv3XBXmgiY2X5RqaPbO _1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt _3LqBzV8aCO9tge99jHiUGy" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; 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--tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><a class="wM6scouPXXsFDSZmZPHRo DjcdNGtVXPcxG0yiFXIoZ _23wugcdiaj44hdfugIAlnX" href="https://www.reddit.com/user/FrenchBread5941/" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.1s ease-in 0s; vertical-align: baseline;">FrenchBread5941</a></span></div></div></div><div class="_3XoW0oYd5806XiOr24gGdb" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font-family: inherit; font-size: revert; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">There is no such thing as Haifan or Unitarian Bahá’ís. You can’t make things up like that. I can call myself the Wizard of Oz but it doesn’t mean anything.</span></div><div style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">___________________________</div><div style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; 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--tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: purple; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Baha’i</span></div></div><div class="_3cjCphgls6DH-irkVaA0GM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><div class="_292iotee39Lmt0MkQZ2hPV RichTextJSON-root" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: purple; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">The difference between Haifan and Unitarian Bahais is Haifan Baha’is believe that after Baha’u’llah’s death Abdul Baha’s Will was to be followed, which appointed Shoghi Effendi and then the UHJ as the successors, whereas Unitarian Bahais believe that after Baha’u’llah’s death the instructions of the Kitab i Ahd were to be followed, which appointed Mirza Muhammad Ali as the successor of Abdul Baha.</span></p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: purple; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">I don’t see why you think there is no such thing as a Unitarian Bahai.</span></p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">__________________</p><div class="-Xcv3XBXmgiY2X5RqaPbO _1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt _3LqBzV8aCO9tge99jHiUGy" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; 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--tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><a class="wM6scouPXXsFDSZmZPHRo DjcdNGtVXPcxG0yiFXIoZ _23wugcdiaj44hdfugIAlnX" href="https://www.reddit.com/user/FrenchBread5941/" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.1s ease-in 0s; vertical-align: baseline;">FrenchBread5941</a></span></div></div></div><div class="_3XoW0oYd5806XiOr24gGdb" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font-family: inherit; font-size: revert; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">The Kitab-i-Ahd did not appoint Mirza Muhammad Ali. Go read it again.</span></div><div style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">_______________________</div><div style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; 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margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">It says Abdul Baha and then Muhammad Ali after him.</span></p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">_____________________</p><div class="-Xcv3XBXmgiY2X5RqaPbO _1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt _3LqBzV8aCO9tge99jHiUGy" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; 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--tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font-family: inherit; font-size: revert; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">No it says the station of Muhammad Ali is beneath that of Abdul’Baha. It says nothing of him succeeding Abdul’Baha. It also says we must obey Abdul’Baha and to turn away from him is like turning away from Baha’u’llah. Abdul’Baha was free to choose his successor and he chose Shoghi Effendi. It’s a done deal. There is nothing to argue.</span></div><div style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">____________________</div><div style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; 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--tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: purple; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Only in the Haifan translation. Beneath is a mistranslation of the word بعد, which means “after” and does not mean “beneath”. Earlier translations did not use the word beneath. I include the Horace Holley translation in this post:</span></p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; 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margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">The word “beneath” is not found here.</span></p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: purple; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">This is what the Kitab i Ahd says in the original language:</span></p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: purple; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">وصيّة اللّه آنکه بايد اغصان و افنان و منتسبين طرّاً بغصن اعظم ناظر باشند انظروا ما انزلناه فی کتابی الاقدس اذا غيض بحر الوصال و قضی کتاب المبدء فی المآل توجّهوا اِلی من اراده اللّه الّذی انشعب من هذا الاصل القديم مقصود از اين آيه مبارکه غصن اعظم بوده کذلک اظهرنا الامر فضلاً من عندنا و انا الفضّال الکريم قد قدّر اللّه مقام الغصن الاکبر بعد مقامه انّه هو الآمر الحکيم قد اصطفينا الاکبر بعد الاعظم امراً من لدن عليم خبير</span></p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">_______________________</p><div class="-Xcv3XBXmgiY2X5RqaPbO _1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt _3LqBzV8aCO9tge99jHiUGy" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; 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--tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><div id="UserInfoTooltip--t1_iy64nnw" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><a class="wM6scouPXXsFDSZmZPHRo DjcdNGtVXPcxG0yiFXIoZ _23wugcdiaj44hdfugIAlnX" href="https://www.reddit.com/user/FrenchBread5941/" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.1s ease-in 0s; vertical-align: baseline;">FrenchBread5941</a></span></div></div></div><div class="_3XoW0oYd5806XiOr24gGdb" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font-family: inherit; font-size: revert; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Whether or not you translate it as “beneath” or “after” does not change the fact that the passage is not implying in any way about who should be the successor after Abdul’Baha. I can’t fathom how you can read it in such a matter. Once Muhammad Ali broke the covenant by not recognizing Abdul’Baha it’s a moot point. Muhammad Ali was excommunicated so he can’t be the successor anyway. You need to stop spreading this kind of disinformation. It’s so harmful to your soul that I am deeply saddened for you.</span></div><div style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">_____________________</div><div style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><div class="_3QEK34iVL1BjyHAVleVVNQ" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><div class="_2mHuuvyV9doV3zwbZPtIPG" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><div id="UserInfoTooltip--t1_iy779wz" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><a class="wM6scouPXXsFDSZmZPHRo DjcdNGtVXPcxG0yiFXIoZ _23wugcdiaj44hdfugIAlnX" href="https://www.reddit.com/user/trident765/" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: #0d3d9b; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.1s ease-in 0s; vertical-align: baseline;">trident765</a></div></div></div><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: purple; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">It doesn’t imply it. It commands it explicitly:</span></p><blockquote class="_28lDeogZhLGXvE95QRPeDL" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; quotes: none; vertical-align: baseline;"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: #339966; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Verily, God hath ordained the station of the Greater Branch after the station of the former. Verily, He is the Ordainer, the Wise. We have surely chosen the Greater after the Greatest as a Command from the All-Knowing, the Omniscient!</span></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="_3cjCphgls6DH-irkVaA0GM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: #323232; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-stretch: inherit; font-variant-east-asian: inherit; font-variant-numeric: inherit; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; 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line-height: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">It says station not succession. My station is lower than Abdul’Baha but that doesn’t mean I am to succeed him. The key word is station.</span></div><div style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">____________________</div><div style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; 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margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">So what was the point of mentioning Muhammad Ali at all?</span></p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">____________________</p><div class="-Xcv3XBXmgiY2X5RqaPbO _1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt _3LqBzV8aCO9tge99jHiUGy" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; 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--tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font-family: inherit; font-size: revert; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">To make sure Muhammad Ali (and everyone else in the family and the community) knew that Muhammad Ali was to obey Abdul’Baha. So that Muhammad Ali would not challenge the successorship after Baha’u’llah’s death, and everyone would turn to Abdul’Baha for leadership and there wouldn’t be a schism.</span></div><div style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">________________</div><div style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; 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--tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: purple; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><a class="wM6scouPXXsFDSZmZPHRo DjcdNGtVXPcxG0yiFXIoZ _23wugcdiaj44hdfugIAlnX" href="https://www.reddit.com/user/trident765/" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: purple; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.1s ease-in 0s; vertical-align: baseline;">trident765</a></span></div></div></div><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span class="_3w527zTLhXkd08MyacMV9H" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: purple; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Baha’i</span></p></div><div class="_3cjCphgls6DH-irkVaA0GM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; 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--tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: purple; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Wouldn’t it make things clearer to just not mention Muhammad Ali, and just say that everyone was to obey Abdul Baha?</span></p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">____________________</p><div class="-Xcv3XBXmgiY2X5RqaPbO _1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt _3LqBzV8aCO9tge99jHiUGy" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; 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--tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><a class="wM6scouPXXsFDSZmZPHRo DjcdNGtVXPcxG0yiFXIoZ _23wugcdiaj44hdfugIAlnX" href="https://www.reddit.com/user/FrenchBread5941/" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.1s ease-in 0s; vertical-align: baseline;">FrenchBread5941</a></span></div></div></div><div class="_3XoW0oYd5806XiOr24gGdb" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font-family: inherit; font-size: revert; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Clearly Baha’u’llah felt the need to address Muhammad Ali by name specifically so that there would be no doubt or question amongst everyone in the family. I’d recommend you read God Passes Bye which talks quite a bit about the trouble that Muhammad Ali was causing at the time for Abdul’Baha. Later in Abdul’Baha’s ministry, Muhammad Ali went as far as trying to have Abdul’Baha crucified by the Ottomans.</span></div><div style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">________________________</div></div><div style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: 700; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Well, that was over two months ago. When I found that thread, I decided that FrenchBread needed to be taught a lesson in humility. So I went after him!</span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: #323232; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-stretch: inherit; font-variant-east-asian: inherit; font-variant-numeric: inherit; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"></div><div style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; 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--tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: blue; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">If other Baha’is are anything like YOU in the way you argued with trident here, then clearly those responses in the Baha’i subreddit are not to be trusted.</span></p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: blue; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">You said:</span></p><blockquote class="_28lDeogZhLGXvE95QRPeDL" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; quotes: none; vertical-align: baseline;"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">There is no such thing as Haifan or Unitarian Bahá’ís. You can’t make things up like that. I can call myself the Wizard of Oz but it doesn’t mean anything.</span></p></blockquote><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: blue; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">That’s like saying there is no such thing as a Christian outside the Roman Catholic Church. Don’t be so bigoted! Then you claimed:</span></p><blockquote class="_28lDeogZhLGXvE95QRPeDL" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; quotes: none; vertical-align: baseline;"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">[The Kitab-i-Ahd] says the station of Muhammad Ali is beneath that of Abdul’Baha. It says nothing of him succeeding Abdul’Baha. It also says we must obey Abdul’Baha and to turn away from him is like turning away from Baha’u’llah. Abdul’Baha was free to choose his successor and he chose Shoghi Effendi. It’s a done deal. There is nothing to argue.</span></p></blockquote><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: blue; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Do you read the original languages of Baha’u’llah’s writings, Arabic and Persian? Apparently not! When trident tried to correct you with the actual quotation from the passage in question, you simply doubled down on the falsehoods.</span></p><blockquote class="_28lDeogZhLGXvE95QRPeDL" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; quotes: none; vertical-align: baseline;"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Whether or not you translate it as “beneath” or “after” does not change the fact that the passage is not implying in any way about who should be the successor after Abdul’Baha. I can’t fathom how you can read it in such a matter. Once Muhammad Ali broke the covenant by not recognizing Abdul’Baha it’s a moot point. Muhammad Ali was excommunicated so he can’t be the successor anyway. You need to stop spreading this kind of disinformation. It’s so harmful to your soul that I am deeply saddened for you.</span></p></blockquote><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: blue; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Why do you assume Mirza Muhammad-Ali broke the Covenant? Because you believe what was written about him decades after the fact? You weren’t there, so you don’t know what really happened, do you?</span></p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: blue; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">The real reason for the dispute between the brothers was because Abdu’l-Baha falsely claimed infallibility for himself after Baha’u’llah made clear in the Kitab-i-Aqdas that NO ONE but God and a Messenger of God could be infallible. He also warned his followers in that book that no one could claim direct revelation from God for 1000 years after his time. Abdu’l-Baha’s claim about himself made it look like he was equal to his father and that made Muhammad-Ali think Abdu’l-Baha violated the Covenant. And once the Covenant was broken, the obligation to obey Abdu’l-Baha became irrelevant. Abdu’l-Baha was just as bound to the rules of his father as Muhammad-Ali was. Having Muhammad-Ali act as a check on Abdu’l-Baha’s absolute power was actually a wise thing for Baha’u’llah to do, in hindsight. Too bad most Baha’is, including you, have chosen to ignore the actual facts about Baha’u’llah’s own teachings. Instead, you use talking points that really don’t make sense. Trident did say:</span></p><blockquote class="_28lDeogZhLGXvE95QRPeDL" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; quotes: none; vertical-align: baseline;"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: purple; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Wouldn’t it make things clearer to just not mention Muhammad Ali, and just say that everyone was to obey Abdul Baha?</span></p></blockquote><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: blue; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Obviously, yes! Then you said:</span></p><blockquote class="_28lDeogZhLGXvE95QRPeDL" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; quotes: none; vertical-align: baseline;"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Clearly Baha’u’llah felt the need to address Muhammad Ali by name specifically so that there would be no doubt or question amongst everyone in the family.</span></p></blockquote><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: blue; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Because……if Abdu’l-Baha was caught breaking the Covenant, Muhammad-Ali would have the right to challenge him by the authority given to him by both the Kitab-i-Aqdas and the Kitab-i-Ahd. And THAT’S WHAT HE DID!</span></p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: blue; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">And as for this final claim of yours:</span></p><blockquote class="_28lDeogZhLGXvE95QRPeDL" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; quotes: none; vertical-align: baseline;"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: red; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Later in Abdul’Baha’s ministry, Muhammad Ali went as far as trying to have Abdul’Baha crucified by the Ottomans.</span></p></blockquote><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: blue; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">That’s absurd! And when did the Ottoman Empire ever crucify people?</span></p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: blue; font: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">It’s only natural for Shoghi Effendi after being made Abdu’l-Baha’s successor to demonize Muhammad-Ali to justify what was done. Therefore, his book God Passes By is not credible. It’s like Joseph Stalin demonizing Leon Trotsky after Stalin became the Soviet dictator, even though Trotsky was also a loyal Communist.</span></p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">_____________________</p><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: 700; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">The next day after I made that comment, I discovered that FrenchBread had blocked me and my comment had been downvoted by several people. Such pathetic cowardice! But that’s what happens when Haifan Baha’is can’t control the conversation like they can in r/bahai! They run away!</span></p></div></div></div><p style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px; color: #323232; font: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 26px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246 / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; 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--tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; border: 0px rgba(245, 245, 245, 0.8); font-stretch: inherit; font-variant-east-asian: inherit; font-variant-numeric: inherit; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 1em; outline: 0px; padding: 16px 0px 5px; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="color: #323232; font-family: Droid Serif, Georgia, Cambria, Times New Roman, Times, serif;"><span style="font-size: 12px;"><b>Source : <a href="https://dalehusband.com/2023/02/07/another-haifan-bahai-gets-busted-on-reddit/">https://dalehusband.com/2023/02/07/another-haifan-bahai-gets-busted-on-reddit/</a></b></span></span></div></div></div></div>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-89837024546912532032023-02-19T00:40:00.001-08:002023-02-20T22:28:27.087-08:00A 'capable and devoted' Baha'i, Husayn Ruhi, was also a 'capable and devoted' British agent!<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiyQzAb9SPhQQnrYlEUwO_8I6o9g2vl8RGhuxCw1pf-0T22-xxetNm1bUQZROeC9U0uvbsXXqrAShuEKzhyGycCtyPVXkYaKSD2yu1Ivp8mJzprzoci1FdVXQ9NqJLZm4vLpMz8psU4svhtFlkVAO3NooRlXd55c_WC9vHYHo65AaK9BvS3fUYT_g/s805/husayn%20ruhi%201.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="645" data-original-width="805" height="512" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiyQzAb9SPhQQnrYlEUwO_8I6o9g2vl8RGhuxCw1pf-0T22-xxetNm1bUQZROeC9U0uvbsXXqrAShuEKzhyGycCtyPVXkYaKSD2yu1Ivp8mJzprzoci1FdVXQ9NqJLZm4vLpMz8psU4svhtFlkVAO3NooRlXd55c_WC9vHYHo65AaK9BvS3fUYT_g/w640-h512/husayn%20ruhi%201.jpg" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">A gathering of Bahá'ís with <b>Mírzá Abu'l-Faḍl</b> in Cairo, April 1907 (seated, 3rd from right), on the occasion of the pilgrimage to 'Akká of Thornton Chase, the first American Bahá'í (seated next to him) and Mr and Mrs Arthur S. Agnew (seated across the table). Also identified are Hájí Mírzá Níyáz, one of the early believers of Persia, loved by all, who lived many years in Cairo until his death in 1919<b> (seated at front, with white turban); <span style="color: #cc0000;">Husayn Rúhí</span><span style="color: #990000;">,</span> who owned and directed two schools in Cairo</b> (at table, centre foreground); and Shaykh Muhyiddín Sabrí Sanandají al-Kurdí (standing, hatless, below the tree at left), a disciple of Mírzá Abu'l-Faḍl and a well-known scholar and Bahá'í teacher invited by 'Abdu'l-Bahá to go to Tunisia and North Africa.</td></tr></tbody></table><p>He appears as a bit character in generally British-focused narratives of the Revolt, and intelligence during the First World War. T. E. Lawrence briefly refers to Ruhi as “more like a mandrake than a man” (perhaps in reference to his multiple wives and numerous children). Storrs, who spent many more months with Ruhi, gave him the codename “the Persian Mystic” and described Ruhi as “a fair though not profound Arabist, and a better agent than scholar.” Ruhi himself, a petite spy, translator, poet, and textbook author spent decades working for British officials, diplomats, spies, and educationalists, including a fifteen-year stint in the Department of Education of the Mandate for Palestine.</p>His interactions with colleagues in the Mandate bureaucracy, as well as the British individuals who had hired him, point to the chameleon-like character of the man himself.<br /><br />Ruhi grew up in Persia after the death of his father, and received some schooling in Chicago as part of a Baha’i mission to that city, earning a license in the English language. Upon his return, Ruhi taught English in Cairo at a variety of schools, and published a bi-weekly magazine that promoted the Baha’i religion.<br /><br />By 1912, Ruhi had married two of the three wives he would marry (possibly simultaneously), and had fathered two of the twelve children he would raise. Ruhi founded two schools in Egypt, one for boys and one for girls, which closed at the end of the First World War.<br /><br />While Storrs [Sir Ronald Storrs (Britain’s Oriental Secretary, spy, and later governor of Jerusalem)] viewed him as Persian, Ruhi’s colleague Abdul Latif Tibawi, a fellow inspector of education in the Mandate for Palestine, defined him in passing as Arab, although in later works described Ruhi in more detail as an Egyptian “of Persian origin” and an “Arabic-speaking Persian.”<br /><br />...a lack of attachment both to the Ottoman Empire and to the Arab community among whom Ruhi lived (and married) facilitated his career with different British administrations. Ronald Storrs preferred employing Baha’i individuals, believing them to be naturally suited to intelligence (one would presume due to their frequent need to keep their religion secret).* Ruhi’s fitness for his post as an intelligence officer, from the point of view of his employers, is clear.<br /><br />*[Storrs noted that the “leading Persian of Jedda, a Bahai,” not only protected British agents, but also supplied the British with information himself. Ronald Storrs, “Hejaz Events, Excerpt from Diary,” 27 September 1916, Middle East Politics and Diplomacy, 1904–1950: The Papers of Sir Ronald Storrs (1881–1956) from Pembroke College, Cambridge (Marlborough, Wiltshire [England]: Adam Matthew Publications, 1999), Reel 5, Section II, Box 4. Storrs also employed a Baha’i doctor, asserting that this doctor, “being of Ruhi’s spiritual persuasion – can be trusted to keep you well and intimately informed on professional and non-professional matters.” Letter from Ronald Storrs to Colonel Wilson, 1 August 1916. Middle East Politics and Diplomacy, Reel 5, Section II, Box 4.]<br /><br />From 1914 to 1920, Husayn Ruhi, and briefly his father-in-law, worked as agents for the British government across the Middle East.<br /><br />Husayn Ruhi translated documents; wrote clandestine reports on the local situation in Cairo, Mecca, and Jeddah; carried messages and funds from the British to the Hijaz and back again; and generally contributed to the fomenting of the Arab Revolt. Ruhi’s official title was “confidential secretary,” working from 1914 to 1916 for Ronald Storrs, then British Oriental Secretary living in Cairo. From 1916 to 1918, Ruhi became the “confidential secretary to the British Agency Jeddah,” under Colonel Cyril Wilson. In transferring Ruhi’s services, Storrs commended Ruhi to Wilson: “he is delivered over to you body and soul. He is to consider himself not only your eyes and ears, but also if necessary your hands and feet. He may even, should an especially unsavoury occasion present itself, be called upon to represent your nose.”<br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><img border="0" height="386" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiiENRCvL_iDsPcAxW9Qc8JH2HiF4r-VbQXDmMtFO0191ZlLmMLHEfMeVdmLUtUkWoWmf7e4w4J1v4jXSFR_abzgNBuWs6w7zH0dNmyqycfQPFEbTsZecO7ByyUiQVDMvulHbya4PBJMpxuPLmq47Cqw37qHIsneIgY0iF8P1zdL3DhalTDD1_hCw/w640-h386/husayn%20ruhi%202.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;" width="640" /></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: #cc0000;">Husayn Ruhi </span></b>(second from left) with Emir Abdallah bin Husayn
al-Hashimi (the first king of Transjordan). Photograph by Ronald Storrs,
“Suleiman Qabil, Hussein Ruhi, Emir Abdulla Bin Husain al-Hashimi, Sheikh
Abdullah Ba Naji at Jidda,” October 1916, courtesy of the Imperial War Museum,
London.<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div>Ruhi is best known for his translation of the Husayn-McMahon correspondence.<br /><br />Elie Kedourie in particular criticized Ruhi’s Arabic as “shaky” with “grammatical mistakes” that indicated a lack of the necessarily facility to deal with the correspondence. Kedourie argues that certain mistranslations of difficult words led to confusion over the territory promised to Sharif Husayn. Kedourie also attributes to Ruhi the “florid style” of McMahon’s letters to Husayn, citing a British representative at Jeddah’s statement that “Ruhi used to address the King (Hussein) with the most extravagant titles when he wanted anything out of him.” It seems that the Sharif returned the favor, as Ruhi’s translation of one letter of the Sharif reads, “To our most ingenious, respectable and honourable [M]ister [S]torrs. Verily, I present to you my propensity and I ask for your health and rejoice.” Leaving aside the question of Ruhi’s Arabic, his English indicates a lack of fluency. Ruhi’s reports and his translations of Sharif Husayn’s correspondence, written in pen, are replete with crossed out words and phrases, words inserted after having completed a line, misspelled words, and prepositions used incorrectly.<br /><br />One British captain noted Ruhi’s invaluable services, lauding his ability to find information due to “his energy, unique knowledge of the workings of men of the stamp concerned in this conspiracy and his selection of agents.” The captain further praised Ruhi’s dedication to his job, stating that “at great personal risk, underlying extreme discomfort and abuse, being imprisoned on several occasions he (Ruhi) traversed the whole [Suez] canal zone gaining information of the greatest value.” Ruhi not only collected intelligence, he also offered “disconcerting suggestions” of tactics that could be employed against those who were not friendly to the Revolt or the British. Ruhi told Storrs to “take strict measures” to prevent Rashid Rida from travelling to the Hijaz and convincing the people to “ignore the English.” Ruhi floated the idea of deporting Rida to Malta.<br /><br />In his own evaluation of his espionage abilities, Ruhi boasted to Storrs, “I am known here as an Alem or Mohammedan Theologian as I went into mosques and delivered lectures and interpreted some verses. …All of the great people here are my friends. I picked some of them whom I found really pro-English and they may be a great help to our work.” It is of course impossible to verify Ruhi’s account of his own exploits. It is interesting that Ruhi sold himself as being able to pass as a Muslim scholar, despite the fact that he was Baha’i, and a somewhat lackluster academic overall. Ruhi’s infiltration of Mecca and ability to preach in a mosque would also likely have appealed to British officials’ overarching focus on religious affiliation as the primary motivating factor behind Middle Easterners’ actions.<br /><br />Ruhi’s motivations for working for the British, beyond his paycheck, remain obscure. However, in that same report to Ronald Storrs in which Ruhi boasted of his ability to charm the Sharif, and indeed pull the wool over the eyes of the citizens of Mecca, he begged Storrs to support his school, by convincing others to support it. Ruhi’s passion for the school he had founded clearly increased his need for funds. He claimed the school could be propped up by Egyptian awqaf. Ruhi asserted that he would “live loyal to the British government” for his entire life, so long as they supported his school, claiming, “If my school will fall I will be the saddest fellow upon earth.”<br /><br />Sadly, for Ruhi, both the boys and girls sections of the school he founded would close during the war, due to “force of circumstance.” But Ruhi was able to find new work in education: He maintained a certain loyalty to the British, and continued his tendency to inform, in his new post as an inspector of education in Mandate Palestine.<br /><br />In 1917, Hussein Ruhi was awarded 100 pounds in lieu of a title, which was feared would preclude him from ever working again secretly on behalf of the British government.<br /><br />Ruhi also became the focus of some international ire: the French mission in the Hijaz complained that Ruhi was spying on them.<br /><br />Ruhi apparently ceased his work in espionage in 1919. He received the titles of Companion of the Order of the Indian Empire (CIE) and Member of the Order of the British Empire (MBE). In March of 1920, he became an inspector with the Department of Education in Jerusalem.<br /><br />Ruhi’s unique career demonstrates the variety of experiences government educators’ possessed, but also points to the complications of post-Ottoman nationality. Although Ruhi, like many others, was now a citizen of Palestine, the category of Palestinian nationality – and, to some degree, nationality itself as a way of defining identity – ill fitted him, due to his languages, birthplace, family, and religion.<br /><br />In returning to the profession of education, Ruhi also authored Arabic language textbooks specifically focused on Palestine for use in its government schools. Ruhi’s texts illustrate his unique perspective and perhaps a desire to pander to British preferences, as the books concentrate on the specific territory of Palestine, as opposed to either Greater Syria or the Arab world, and include Jewish as well as Arab narratives. His history of Palestine, al-Mukhtasar fi al-ta’rikh, printed in 1922, listed its most important sources as the Qur’an and other holy books, contemporary American and Middle Eastern works of history and literature, as well as Titus Flavius Josephus’s writings. Ruhi’s history begins with the story of Abraham and ends with Ibrahim Pasha. It also contains a surprisingly positive portrayal of certain aspects of Jewish history in the region, describing the Maccabees, for example, as a family of patriotic heroes. Ruhi’s geography of Palestine (al-Mukhtasarfi Jughrafiyat Filastin) was written up briefly in al-Muqtaṭaf, which noted that the book included the political, natural, and administrative geography of Palestine as well as more than twenty maps. This work begins with a Muslim blessing (bismillah al-rahman al-rahim) and includes a discussion of Palestine’s Jewish colonies and an overview of its educational system, as well as a somewhat pointed drill that required students to calculate the meager proportion of Palestine’s inhabitants attending school at all. Husayn Ruhi even drew some of the book’s maps himself. Moreover, in another unique turn, this Arabic language geography was published by the London Jews Society, a British missionary society geared toward converting Jews to Christianity and encouraging Jews’ resettling in Palestine.<br /><br />In the Mandate, Ruhi’s presence was in some ways an affront to his peers. One Palestinian academic derided Ruhi as simply Ronald Storrs’s “protégé,” whose appointment in the education department was incongruous at best. Khalil al-Sakakini, who also worked as an inspector in the Mandate Department of Education and authored grammar textbooks, held up Ruhi as an example of problems with the department as a whole. In a somewhat lengthy series of complaints to his son, Sakakini listed individuals employed by the British administration in Palestine whom he thought were undeserving of their salaries and status, specifically including Husayn Ruhi.<br /><br />Husayn Ruhi retired from service in the Mandate for Palestine in 1935. He returned to Cairo where he founded a school, as he had before his service with the British. Ruhi died in 1960. Ruhi remains best remembered for his translations and reports. Yet, his preference for British-backed governments continued in the careers of two of his sons. ‘Ali Husayn Ruhi and Hasan Husayn Ruhi followed their father’s example working as educators and government officials in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. ‘Ali taught in Transjordan from 1928 to 1945. He composed several mathematics and science textbooks used by Arabic-speaking students throughout the region, specifically in the government schools of Transjordan and Palestine. ‘Ali seems to have also renounced his father’s faith, or at least hidden it, as he defined himself as Muslim on his application to teach in Transjordan.<br /><br />Husayn Ruhi’s journey from education to espionage and back is hardly characteristic of educators or ethnic or religious minorities in the Middle East. However, his story raises (although does not answer) a number of questions and issues connecting to schooling, governance, and intelligence in the twentieth-century Middle East. By choosing Ruhi, a Baha’i of unclear nationality, the British presumed, to some degree correctly, that they could command a greater sway over Ruhi’s loyalties than those of other Egyptians, Persians, or Palestinians.<br /><br />(Hilary Falb Kalisman - The Little Persian Agent in Palestine: Husayn Ruhi, British Intelligence, and World War I, Jerusalem Quarterly 66)<div><br /></div><h3 style="text-align: left;"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Read complete article here :</span></b></h3><a href="https://www.academia.edu/28212491/The_Little_Persian_Agent_in_Palestine_Husayn_Ruhi_British_Intelligence_and_World_War_I">https://www.academia.edu/28212491/The_Little_Persian_Agent_in_Palestine_Husayn_Ruhi_British_Intelligence_and_World_War_I</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.nli.org.il/en/articles/RAMBI990005858830705171/NLI">https://www.nli.org.il/en/articles/RAMBI990005858830705171/NLI</a><div><br /></div><h3 style="text-align: left;"><b><span style="color: #cc0000;">Additional points from Baha'i sources:</span></b></h3><br />The journey began after Mirza Asadu'llah had returned to Persia from the Holy Land and had recovered the casket (of the Bab's remains) from its hiding place in Tehran. He then set off with the assistance of other believers, including<b> a ‘capable and devoted’ Baha'i named Husayn Ruhi,</b> who was the son of Haji ‘Ali-‘Askar, a distinguished Bahai who had attained the presence of the Bab. Like his father, Husayn Ruhi had been in prison in Acre with Baha'u'llah.<br /><br />(Michael Day, Journey to a Mountain - The Story of the Shrine of the Bab)<br /><br /><b>Ruhi's father 'Ali-'Askar-i-Tabrizi?</b><br /><br />Haji Haji 'Ali-'Askar was one of the notable merchants of Tabriz, and a believer from the time of the Bab. At last the persecutions forced him to leave his home town and he emigrated with his brother and family to Adrianople, where he settled down and made a living by peddling small wares. He was arrested and sent with Baha'u'llah to 'Akka, where he passed away in AH 1291 (AD 1874)....<br /><br />...Muhammad-Javad-i-Qazvini next records in his tract the murder of two other men, previous to the murder of Siyyid Muhammad-i-Isfahani and his two accomplices. He names them as Husayn-'Ali of Kashan, known as Khayyat-Bashi, and Haji Ibrahim, also of Kashan; but he does not name those who murdered them. Apparently, these two men of Kashan, who had always been fickle, had been in communication with the Azalis, although they lived with the companions in Khan al-'Umdan. Muhammad-Javad writes that one day, in the bazar, Haji Ibrahim denounced Aqay-i-Kalim, in his presence, before the Mufti. This reprehensible behaviour roused the ire of the companions, and some of them (unnamed) murdered those two, and buried them in a room in the inn. This happened at a time when Baha'u'llah, because of the mounting animosity of the Azalis, had ceased admitting anyone into His presence. However, Siyyid Muhammad had noted their disappearance and had reported it to the authorities. But, at the time, there was no reason to suspect any crime. After the murder of the three Azalis, during the interrogation of the companions, the murder of the two Kashanis came to light. Again, Muhammad-Javad does not mention any names, but merely records that the authorities were told that the two had died of cholera, and lest all should be taken away and put into quarantine, they had been immediately and quietly interred in a room of the inn. The authorities exhumed their corpses and had them buried beside the Azalis.<br /><br />Another point worth noting in the tract by Muhammad-Javad-i-Qazvini is that whereas the wife of Mirza Yahya, sister of Mirza Rida-Quliy-i-Tafrishi, has been named elsewhere as Badri-Jan, Muhammad-Javad calls her Badr-i-Jahan. And the sixteen men detained in the Khan-i-Shavirdi for six months are named as follows: <b>Haji 'Ali-'Askar-i-Tabrizi, his son, Husayn-Aqa,</b> and his brother, Mashhadi Fattah; Haji Ja'far and his brother, Haji Taqi; Muhammad-Javad-i-Qazvini, himself; Aqa Faraj-i-Sultanabadi; Aqa Riday-i-Shirazi; Mirza Mahmud-i-Kashani; Haji Faraju'llah-i-Tafrishi; Aqa 'Azim-i-Tafrishi; Aqa Muhammad-'Aliy-i-Isfahani; Aqa Muhammad-'Aliy-i-Yazdi; Darvish Sidq-'Aliy-i-Qazvini; Aqa Muhammad-Ibrahim-Nayrizi, known as Amir-i-Nayrizi; and Haji Aqay-i-Tabrizi.<br /><br />(Baha'u'llah - The King of Glory by Hasan Balyuzi)<br /><br />For some time 'Abbás Effendi bore with these alarming circumstances, until latterly he set himself to stir up the fanaticism of a man named Hájji Mírzá Hasan of Khurásán, one of the leading Bábís in Egypt, and commissioned him to proceed to America to repair this rupture. The latter obediently accepted this commission, took with him as interpreter <b>Husayn Rúhí </b>the son of Hájji Mullá 'Ali of Tabriz, and went to America, where he remained some time. At first he tried to bring back Ibráhím Khayru'lláh to Abbás Effendi, but, not succeeding in his efforts, he busied himself for a while in declaring and proving to his friends the sanctity of 'Abbás Efendi. But he failed to achieve his object, and returned to Egypt, where he was stricken with imbecility, and is at present under treatment in Egypt.<br /><br /><a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=eLnR-tJO5MQC&pg=PA146&dq=%22Husayn+ruhi%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjLs8LJ4JX9AhXYEogKHZzZAQ4Q6AF6BAgJEAM#v=onepage&q=%22Husayn%20ruhi%22&f=false">https://books.google.com/books?id=eLnR-tJO5MQC&pg=PA146&dq=%22Husayn+ruhi%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjLs8LJ4JX9AhXYEogKHZzZAQ4Q6AF6BAgJEAM#v=onepage&q=%22Husayn%20ruhi%22&f=false</a></div><br />Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-37300568301975291302023-02-17T06:15:00.004-08:002023-02-18T07:31:24.949-08:00An Iranian Baha'i who had 80 government jobs!<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiY00Z9bqthxH1f0nPnk8oZOL3rwHSESbou_dq1-YDh34vzI523U66XHv7-HWKABAvvQd-7qS3SQacnnSuld3bWadmAjEFAq2eoH7_RiHt9J8CGsZ1KIfTXe3mWJkEaJ6X6-0c_otg1LpeLrcVbRpQKM6eY9bj_92f0RIMhnnwYDu34wY9cvGNnAQ/s541/abdol%20karim%20ayadi%20with%20nematollah%20nasiri.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="374" data-original-width="541" height="442" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiY00Z9bqthxH1f0nPnk8oZOL3rwHSESbou_dq1-YDh34vzI523U66XHv7-HWKABAvvQd-7qS3SQacnnSuld3bWadmAjEFAq2eoH7_RiHt9J8CGsZ1KIfTXe3mWJkEaJ6X6-0c_otg1LpeLrcVbRpQKM6eY9bj_92f0RIMhnnwYDu34wY9cvGNnAQ/w640-h442/abdol%20karim%20ayadi%20with%20nematollah%20nasiri.jpg" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Abdol Karim Ayadi with Ne'matollah Nasiri, Director of the SAVAK</td></tr></tbody></table><div><br /></div><b>Abdol Karim Ayadi,</b> who was the son of one of the famous Baha'i families in Iran, was a doctor in the army, and he first visited the court of the Shah to treat the mental illnesses of Alireza Pahlavi, the brother of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, and then he became Pahlavi II's comrade. This friendship went to a point where it was said: "No one believed that Ayadi would make a request to the king and it would not be granted".<br /><br />General Ayadi was versatile and had many jobs, and once "Hussein Fardoost", the general of the Pahlavi regime, told Mohammad Reza that this gentleman had many government jobs and described the story in the book "The Rise and Fall of the Pahlavi Sultanate" as follows: He [Ayadi] had created about 80 jobs for himself in the country, jobs that were all important and money-making; He was the head of the general health department of the army and in this position, he was in charge of the building of the army hospitals, importing the equipment for this hospital, importing necessary medicines, and everything else. The rank of medical personnel of the army from sergeant to lieutenant general was under his command, and no colonel doctor could become a brigadier general without his order, and any violation of his order was accompanied by dismissal and punishment.<br /><br />Ayadi was the head of "ATKA" of the army and police forces, and in this position, all the requirements had to be prepared by his order. Whatever he wanted, even if it was available in the country, had to be imported for the army from abroad, especially England and America. Determining the quota and hundreds of other tasks and even determining the heads of the bases and its personnel were with him. The pharmaceutical organization of the country was completely under the command of Ayadi.<br /><br />Southern Fisheries were under Ayadi's authority, and it was Ayadi's authority to determine which countries and companies were allowed to fish and which ones were not. As a result of his policies fishing in Iran was done with the most primitive means. The appointment of the director and personnel of the fisheries was also with Ayadi.<br /><br />Someone checked his jobs once and it reached 80. He reported to Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Mohammad Reza asked him why does he want 80 jobs? Ayadi answered jokingly: <b>"My goal is to get 100 jobs".</b><div><br /></div><div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><img border="0" height="446" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhvqDk-2v8zvnB19vL4Wu0PBxNxAquhJOJQ9nfk3x1RSYWkjY7AxwYj1EVbuLKDxm-XzByf0Cp6T3JM2U4ZPLgwhl4nLdv0owmNDIic2iagVzT4QKfoutUgQZXzKG3c5myBMo78xNtH2WulaU_ZGbHggOzXf6DSGOuLBG4BJWLOHkyItzKJatUacg/w640-h446/abdol%20karim%20ayadi%20with%20shah.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;" width="640" /></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Ayadi with Mohammad Reza Pahlavi</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><br /><b>Some references from the Baha'i sources :</b><br /><br />An installment of the Soraya Memoirs, autobiographical story of Princess Soraya Esfendiary, onetime queen of Iran, appeared in the June 30 issue of the magazine <i>Quick,</i> published in Munich, Germany. Several pages were taken up by the article and its illustrations, the first of which showed the Shah and his former consort with Dr. Ayadi, the faithful Bahá’í physician whom Princess Soraya credits with saving her life. Temporarily relieved of duty, as a protective measure, during the Bahá’í persecution, Dr. Ayadi now ranks high in the Shah’s service.<br /><br /><a href="https://bahai.works/Baha%27i_News/Issue_391/Text">https://bahai.works/Baha%27i_News/Issue_391/Text</a><br /><br />When Jeanne was forty years old, she accepted a position as governess for the children of the Dutch ambassador in Tihran. Perhaps she was the only Dutch Bahá’í who first heard about the Cause in the very Cradle of the Faith. The story began the moment that she, through her own physician, came in contact with Dr. Ayadi. Later she read in the newspaper that he was not only a Bahá’í but that he was also the personal physician of the Shah...<br /><br />...At her next visit to Dr. Ayadi, she asked him if she could visit the temple of the Bahá’ís. He laughed and said that he would be happy to bring her, but they did not have a temple. Later Jeanne got the address of the administrative center and found behind an old entrance “another world, with a beautiful garden.”<br /><br /><a href="https://bahai.works/In_Memoriam_1992-1997/Jeanne_Kranen">https://bahai.works/In_Memoriam_1992-1997/Jeanne_Kranen</a><br /><br /><b>General Dr. Ayadi, the son and grandson of two Hands of the Cause respectively, was the shah’s personal physician for many years. When the shah wanted to go to America on an official visit, General Dr. Ayadi informed him that he would have to have permission from the Head of the Baha’i Faith, Shoghi Effendi, before he could go to America. <br /></b><br /><a href="https://bahai.works/Hand_of_the_Cause_of_God_Furútan/Reference">https://bahai.works/Hand_of_the_Cause_of_God_Furútan/Reference</a></div><br />Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-57156651903758433422023-01-30T23:47:00.001-08:002023-01-30T23:47:00.211-08:00Another terrible Tablet of Baha'u'llah that Baha'is are ashamed to translate and distribute.Another terrible Tablet of Baha'u'llah I wish to nominate is the Lawh-i Istintáq, also known as the Tablet of Inquisition. The reasons are more serious and macabre than for other tablets discussed.<br /><br />The tablet deals with the murder of 3 Azali's (Sayyid Muhammad Isfahani, Aqa Jan Kaj-Kulah and Mirza Rida-Quli Tafrishi) in Akka by a gang of 7 Baha'is -- the intimate companions of Baha'u'llah -- shortly after their arrival in Akka.<br /><br />What's striking about this Tablet is that despite all the posturing by Baha'is about this situation, and the suggestion that the 7 Baha'is were not under Baha'u'llah's explicit or implied instruction to commit a triple homicide, Baha'u'llah actually outed himself with this verse: -<br /><br /><b>"Verily the Mute [al-akhras, Isfahani] called himself 'Quddus' and hath claimed what the Evil Whisperer (al-khannas) claimed for himself. The other one [Aqá Ján] called himself the 'Sword of Truth' (sayfu'l-haqq);; he said: 'I, verily, am the conqueror of the cities'. God hath sent the one who hath smitten upon his mouth, so that all may firmly believe that through this Satan's tail hath been cut off by the sword of the Merciful (sayfu'r-rahmán)."<br /></b><br /><div>- Baha'u'llah, Lawh-i Istintáq<br /><br />Clearly, Baha'u'llah was pleased and believed they got what they deserved. This is further evidence that Baha'u'llah was at the very least complicit in serious criminal behaviour throughout his life. He deserved every minute of his jail time and exile and deserved far worse treatment than he actually received.<br /><br />This is another tablet that Baha'is are ashamed to translate and distribute.</div><div><br /></div><div>The story of the murder of Siyyid Muhammad-i-Isfahani, Aqa Jan-i-Kaj-Kulah, and Mirza Rida-Quliy-i-Tafrishi by a group of 7 Bahai's in Akka is well-documented in Baha'i history (e.g. Baha'u'llah: The King of Glory by Hasan M. Balyuzi)</div><div><br /></div><div>We know that Baha'u'llah denied wrongdoing, and publicly denounced the murders, but in the Tablet of Interrogation he clearly states that the three murdered men deserved it (See above)</div><div><br /></div><div><b>Here, I've asked ChatGPT for its opinion on this situation and on the moral implications of Baha'u'llah's writings:-</b></div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgWZiqjsL76qcwlmdCuKgYaW752vKmvwrRmQqXuZ6DJuNr3MCo7eEp--QSGoljiPrOfbd33NDEAD5BEgNJwJAPS4bXWeawmstoROzOa3I0fkEemeOWacsOPjpsClyzOkWMKVTyP5myDtpCsMMbxKK4Vpt7HPK_EXgoMS-9xzgHS-dnr6AGI470pgA/s816/image_2023-01-30_132135482.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="797" data-original-width="816" height="626" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgWZiqjsL76qcwlmdCuKgYaW752vKmvwrRmQqXuZ6DJuNr3MCo7eEp--QSGoljiPrOfbd33NDEAD5BEgNJwJAPS4bXWeawmstoROzOa3I0fkEemeOWacsOPjpsClyzOkWMKVTyP5myDtpCsMMbxKK4Vpt7HPK_EXgoMS-9xzgHS-dnr6AGI470pgA/w640-h626/image_2023-01-30_132135482.png" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div>Source : <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/10jp5qm/which_are_the_worst_tablets_of_bahaullah/">https://www.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/10jp5qm/which_are_the_worst_tablets_of_bahaullah/</a></div>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-32648484638090579502023-01-29T23:42:00.000-08:002023-01-29T23:42:12.284-08:00Three ways for Shoghi Effendi's followers to interpret Shoghi Effendi's unexpected death<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiRB9891OxvUjKKZIpnO2ECQ3T9Zqua7jdahJCM4fIE3RSraYhx4ekqqE8W_fwng6ok-u0wW-8AmEJfLDRz77I5_UpT0OlfG2_3KTiVOOIVNPUTD55HYUHXl46E0wdTCGvg_LoZYUOszoJ6cwqyz5IBqrEmKPtZ2rVQqKC4C8CMMwa9YWr0-psocA/s599/Shoghi-Effendi-and-Ruhi-Afnan_2023.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="599" data-original-width="416" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiRB9891OxvUjKKZIpnO2ECQ3T9Zqua7jdahJCM4fIE3RSraYhx4ekqqE8W_fwng6ok-u0wW-8AmEJfLDRz77I5_UpT0OlfG2_3KTiVOOIVNPUTD55HYUHXl46E0wdTCGvg_LoZYUOszoJ6cwqyz5IBqrEmKPtZ2rVQqKC4C8CMMwa9YWr0-psocA/w278-h400/Shoghi-Effendi-and-Ruhi-Afnan_2023.jpg" width="278" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Shoghi Effendi with Ruhi Afnan</td></tr></tbody></table><div><br /></div>1. Even though Shoghi Effendi appointed no successor, a successor must be found, because even if it is not clear who the legitimate successor is, it is more important for the institution of Guardianship to just continue. This is the position of the Orthodox Baha'is.<br /><br />2. Shoghi Effendi appointed no successor so the institution of Guardianship must end. But we will go off and create the Universal House of Justice on our own, and give it powers which were previously under the domain of the Guardian (e.g. excommunication). This is the position of Haifan Baha'is.<br /><br />3. Shoghi Effendi appointed no successor so the institution of Guardianship must end. But the Guardianship and the Universal House of Justice were designed to complement each other - one cannot exist without the other - so the Baha'i Faith must continue with neither a Guardian nor a Universal House of Justice. No one supports this view for some reason.<br /><br />Shoghi Effendi's writings certainly do not seem to support option (2):<br /><br /><blockquote>It should be stated, at the very outset, in clear and unambiguous language, that these twin institutions [Guardianship and the UHJ] of the Administrative Order of Bahá’u’lláh should be regarded as divine in origin, essential in their functions and complementary in their aim and purpose. Their common, their fundamental object is to insure the continuity of that divinely-appointed authority which flows from the Source of our Faith, to safeguard the unity of its followers and to maintain the integrity and flexibility of its teachings. Acting in conjunction with each other these two inseparable institutions administer its affairs, coördinate its activities, promote its interests, execute its laws and defend its subsidiary institutions. Severally, each operates within a clearly defined sphere of jurisdiction; each is equipped with its own attendant institutions—instruments designed for the effective discharge of its particular responsibilities and duties. Each exercises, within the limitations imposed upon it, its powers, its authority, its rights and prerogatives. These are neither contradictory, nor detract in the slightest degree from the position which each of these institutions occupies. Far from being incompatible or mutually destructive, they supplement each other’s authority and functions, and are permanently and fundamentally united in their aims.<br /><br />Divorced from the institution of the Guardianship the World Order of Bahá’u’lláh would be mutilated and permanently deprived of that hereditary principle which, as ‘Abdu’l‑Bahá has written, has been invariably upheld by the Law of God. “In all the Divine Dispensations,” He states, in a Tablet addressed to a follower of the Faith in Persia, “the eldest son hath been given extraordinary distinctions. Even the station of prophethood hath been his birthright.” Without such an institution the integrity of the Faith would be imperiled, and the stability of the entire fabric would be gravely endangered. Its prestige would suffer, the means required to enable it to take a long, an uninterrupted view over a series of generations would be completely lacking, and the necessary guidance to define the sphere of the legislative action of its elected representatives would be totally withdrawn.<br /><br />Severed from the no less essential institution of the Universal House of Justice this same System of the Will of ‘Abdu’l‑Bahá would be paralyzed in its action and would be powerless to fill in those gaps which the Author of the Kitáb-i-Aqdas has deliberately left in the body of His legislative and administrative ordinances.</blockquote><br />--Shoghi Effendi, World Order of Baha'u'llah<div><br /></div><div><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/FreeSpeechBahai/comments/10oae4a/three_ways_for_shoghi_effendis_followers_to/">https://www.reddit.com/r/FreeSpeechBahai/comments/10oae4a/three_ways_for_shoghi_effendis_followers_to/</a></div>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-40619430134287092832023-01-18T23:49:00.001-08:002023-01-19T08:06:28.170-08:00A number of people are leaving the Baha'i faith because of the bad policies of the UHJ.<div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhzDo4Poyg8-7zbIMsVEUVtLs4Cm8W5q98np-28m0W2gI2ibwzRIUIwwCLHlZ1D0WqEO_FLeUk7j5e9Avh0xDvxyK1hNmD_Y_cazJCm30AniVWE-XKqqhS3lvLrN_ufdRXPx-YWuCUthFs3RTcJ_Lzro4fZ2c1XV8Koxk0--pc0o5NFYHrZslZleQ" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="541" data-original-width="386" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhzDo4Poyg8-7zbIMsVEUVtLs4Cm8W5q98np-28m0W2gI2ibwzRIUIwwCLHlZ1D0WqEO_FLeUk7j5e9Avh0xDvxyK1hNmD_Y_cazJCm30AniVWE-XKqqhS3lvLrN_ufdRXPx-YWuCUthFs3RTcJ_Lzro4fZ2c1XV8Koxk0--pc0o5NFYHrZslZleQ=w285-h400" width="285" /></a></div><br />I have been a Baha'i for nearly 25 years. I've been actively involved during this time with various committees at local and national levels. I am still a Baha'i but it's becoming progressively harder for me to continue to believe. I am not wanting to have an argument with anyone, create doubts or disunity. I just want to share some of the problems that I feel in the hope of hearing others' advice and whether they feel the same.</div><br />As time has gone on I've felt an increasing disconnect with the vision of the Faith which has been spelled out in the plans from the House of Justice. Since the 2000s when Ruhi started, the Faith seems primarily focussed on expansion. The most recent 9 Year Plan seems to be taking this to a whole new level. I have been involved in the plans over the years and can't help but feel that we're spending a lot of energy offering the Faith where it isn't wanted - at least in the developed Western Country where I live. In the time I've been involved with the plans, I've only seen an handful of people declare. During this time I've seen many more go inactive or leave the Faith. I have been left wondering why we have been so outwardly focussed when we can't even retain people who are already in the Faith.<br /><br />In an effort to understand things better, I looked through messages of the House going back to the 1960s. I saw that there had been times we had been promised that mass enrolment was just around the corner. There were other times when the House was clearly alluding to the outbreak of World Peace by the end of last Century. Yet here we are with war in Europe and the numbers of Baha'is in many Western countries in decline (according to census data anyway). If the House missed the mark previously, how can we be sure we are being divinely guided? As I get older and see more things in the world, the basic notion of an infallible group of men is becoming harder to accept.<br /><br />It's also hard for me to visualise how the Faith will become the majority religion of the planet when it can't maintain its own membership and engage them in the activities of the Plan. The vast majority of Baha'is I know don't get involved with the institute process and cluster meetings. From the conversations that I've had, this is because many people feel it is too institutionalised and feels like proselytising - and these are the people who believe in Baha'u'llah, 'Abdu'l-Baha and the Guardian.<br /><div><br /></div><div>Source : <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/bahai/comments/10ewmb7/im_thinking_about_resigning_from_the_faith_could/">https://www.reddit.com/r/bahai/comments/10ewmb7/im_thinking_about_resigning_from_the_faith_could/</a></div>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510761613406111002.post-59540664896796327792023-01-18T23:34:00.001-08:002023-01-18T23:34:02.031-08:00"I agree entirely as regards the uselessness of Ruhi." Sen McGlinn<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0ktRtVZCgxsWyjAQAYhI1OVVN4lzzNVGeFuClo3r0oajJafdG_1sg1vJncYScvluw4hwRzdjYFMkZmRhKv8X5WpXYjhsvT58P4V2KlWnNJ__VZN-59FeS3A78LbH9roq5ykjoymrMziLIM1kyoXmYr7UYKozzlVmkd3SBsz8PSHfD6cv9VTgT3Q/s450/book-ruhi-books-series1.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="450" data-original-width="350" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0ktRtVZCgxsWyjAQAYhI1OVVN4lzzNVGeFuClo3r0oajJafdG_1sg1vJncYScvluw4hwRzdjYFMkZmRhKv8X5WpXYjhsvT58P4V2KlWnNJ__VZN-59FeS3A78LbH9roq5ykjoymrMziLIM1kyoXmYr7UYKozzlVmkd3SBsz8PSHfD6cv9VTgT3Q/s320/book-ruhi-books-series1.jpg" width="249" /></a></div><br /><div><b>I agree entirely as regards the uselessness of Ruhi. It has been a colossal disaster for the Bahai community.</b></div><br />As regards the year 2000 "prophecy," it was a misunderstanding, widely shared in western Bahai communities (ie those that use the Gregorian calendar), and by the House of Justice, which reflects the understanding and misunderstanding of the community that elects it. Abdu'l-Baha was not a Gregorian, he used the Persian calendar, the Hijri calendar and the Syrian calendar. And in any case, for him "this century" meant the dispensation of Baha'u'llah, not a period of 100 years. He wrote, for example:<div><br /></div><blockquote><div>The Spiritual Assemblies to be established in this Age of God, this holy century, have… had neither peer nor likeness in the cycles gone before.</div></blockquote><div><br /></div><div>(Selections from the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Baha, page 82)<div><br /></div><blockquote><div>The teachings of Baha’u’llah are the light of this age and the spirit of this century.</div></blockquote><div><br /></div><div>(Selections from the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Baha, page 107)</div><div><br /></div><blockquote><div>In every century a particular and central theme is, … confirmed by God. In this illumined age that which is confirmed is the oneness of the world of humanity.</div></blockquote><div><br /></div><div>(Selections from the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Baha, page 114)</div><div><br /></div><blockquote><div>Gradually whatsoever is latent in the innermost of this Holy Cycle shall appear and be made manifest, … Ere the close of this Century and of this Age, it shall be made clear and manifest how wondrous was that Springtide …</div></blockquote><div><br /></div><div>(quoted in Shoghi Effendi, Baha’i Administration, p. 16)</div><div><br /></div><blockquote><div>… in any of the past cycles and dispensations, no assemblies for women have ever been established … This is one of the characteristics of this glorious Dispensation and this great century.<br /><br /></div></blockquote><div>(Compilation on Women,)<br /><br />I’ve selected these examples because century is used in parallel with other terms, so those who know no Persian can see what is meant. The words used for "century" in each case do not mean "100 years", and in any case would not mean a Gregorian century. So the "prophecy" was a mistake, and had serious effects. Believing that the Lesser peace, or the unity of nations, was due in the Gregorian 20th century, the House of Justice made plans accordingly. Ruhi arose from the UHJ's lack of faith in the ability of the local and national assemblies to mature in time for the y2k deadline, and the big building projects on Mt Carmel were rushed to meet the same deadline. The UHJ supposed that the Bahai community was about to become a big player in world affairs and needed to be in touch with "prominent people," and needed and expected mass enrollments. That timeline was all wrong, but we are still stuck with the domination of the Ruhi institutes and sinking into obscurity, except in Iran.</div></div><div><br /></div><div>Source : <a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/BahaiPerspectives/comments/10f2n5m/im_thinking_about_resigning_from_the_faith_could/j4uf1rc/">https://old.reddit.com/r/BahaiPerspectives/comments/10f2n5m/im_thinking_about_resigning_from_the_faith_could/j4uf1rc/</a></div>Naser Emtesalihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11174192365767859976noreply@blogger.com0